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Joe Rogan Experience #2522 - Tony Hinchcliffe

Joe Rogan and Kill Tony host Tony Hinchcliffe talk for nearly three hours with no plan and no thesis, braiding the impossible machine that prints computer chips into charity as a scam, a rap-music conspiracy, cough syrup, and mob-run Youngstown. The middle is a loving tour of combat sports and the case that wrestling is the foundation of everything, from Khabib to youth weight classes. The back half turns to comedy and media, the Kevin Hart roast fallout, the joke that made Hinchcliffe a national villain, why he and Shane Gillis turned down the Saudi money nobody knows they refused, and why the news now lives on X instead of television. It ends on a Kanye West stadium show Hinchcliffe calls the greatest production he has seen and on Pink Floyd syncing to The Wizard of Oz, with a running argument that outrage is a product and the healthiest thing to do is log off and make people laugh.

Published Jul 2, 2026 2:48:38 video 47 min read Added Jul 4, 2026 Open on YouTube →

At a glance

For two hours and forty eight minutes, Joe Rogan sits with comedian Tony Hinchcliffe, the host of Kill Tony, for the kind of unbroken, subject-hopping hang that has no thesis and needs none. It opens on the world going back to war and Rogan hiding from the news inside a documentary about the single most complicated machine humans have ever built, the extreme ultraviolet lithography system that prints computer chips, and from there it braids: charity as a scam, a rap-music conspiracy, cough syrup, root canals, white Hawaiian pineapples, and the mob-run Youngstown, Ohio that Hinchcliffe grew up in. The spine of the middle is combat sports, a long, loving tour through the fight weekend and the case that wrestling is the foundation of everything, and the spine of the back half is comedy and media, the Kevin Hart roast fallout, the joke that turned Hinchcliffe into a national villain, why he and Shane Gillis turned down the Saudi money nobody knows they turned down, and why the news is now something you watch on X instead of television. It closes on a Kanye West stadium show Hinchcliffe calls the greatest production he has ever seen and on Pink Floyd syncing to The Wizard of Oz. The recurring argument underneath the jokes: outrage is a product now, engaging with it rots your head, and the healthiest thing a person can do is make friends, make people laugh, and stop screaming into the void.

Science and the impossible machine

Charity, USAID, and rap

Drugs, teeth, and pineapples

Youngstown and the mob

Combat sports and wrestling

Roasts, outrage, and the money

Fake news and X

Kanye, Pink Floyd, and the simulation

Figure 1. The eight threads the conversation keeps returning to. Nothing here is planned; each topic snags the next, and the two keep circling back to the same underlying point about outrage and attention.

Cold open: the world at war and the most important machine ever built

Rogan opens on the news he is trying not to read. The world, he says, is officially back at war, the ceasefire with Iran did not last, there are bombings in Lebanon and on American bases, and his defense against all of it is to bury himself in science and space. The night before he had watched a documentary about how semiconductor chips are made, and he pulls it up to play the passage that broke his brain. The clip frames the machine as a thought experiment: imagine you are shrunk to the size of an ant and handed a laser strong enough to cut through metal like butter. A droplet of molten tin about the size of a white blood cell is fired past you at roughly 250 kilometers per hour, and your job is to hit it not once but three times in a row inside twenty microseconds. That is what the machine does, heating each droplet past 220,000 Kelvin, roughly forty times hotter than the surface of the sun, and it does it to fifty thousand droplets every second without ever missing a shot. The same machine holds mirrors that may be the smoothest objects in the universe, so smooth that if you scaled one up to the size of Earth the largest bump would be no taller than a playing card. It stacks one chip layer on another and is never off by more than five atoms, all while parts of it whip around at accelerations over twenty Gs. For thirty years almost everyone believed the machine was impossible to build, and only one company in the world can build it.

Hinchcliffe adds the part he happens to know: the chips come off a single big wafer, dozens at a time, and they get binned by quality. The ones that test closest to perfect become the i9, the ones that come in around eighty five out of a hundred become the i7, and they all rode off the same sheet. The best silicon sells for the most money and the slightly degraded silicon sells for a little less. Rogan ties it to the reported trouble at a Samsung chip plant that was not hitting its yield targets, meaning it was producing too many of the mediocre chips and not enough of the flawless high-end ones the market actually wants.

220,000 K per tin droplet, ~40x the sun's surface

50,000 / sec droplets hit, never missing a shot

3 hits per droplet in 20 microseconds

5 atoms max layer-to-layer overlay error

> 20 G acceleration of moving parts

1 company on Earth can build it

Mirrors so smooth that, scaled to the size of Earth, the biggest bump would be thinner than a playing card.

Figure 2. The numbers from the documentary Rogan plays in the first minutes. The device is an EUV lithography system of the kind built by ASML, the one firm that makes them, and its precision is what every modern AI chip depends on.

Repopulating the earth, and civilization on the back of undistracted geniuses

The machine sends them into a favorite Rogan thought experiment: if everyone died and only the people in this room were left, how long to rebuild? You would need more than three, Hinchcliffe jokes, or the gene pool collapses and everyone ends up looking like the English royals. You would need a few thousand ordinary people who, like the two of them, do not know the first thing about how any of this technology actually works. Rogan's answer to how long rebuilding would take is blunt: infinity. Every invention like that chip machine rides on the backs of thousands of geniuses who each solved one step, each building on the last, and the whole tower only stands if those people stay focused. The joke lands on distraction. If one of the engineers patents something, gets rich, shows up to work in a Ferrari with a hot new wife, the whole project stalls and civilization slips back a couple hundred years. They lose Tim, the imaginary Adderall-fueled coder trying to get everyone to Mars. Then Rogan catches the flaw in his own bit: Elon Musk clearly does not lack for female attention and it does not seem to slow him down at all. Elon, they agree, is just different, and Rogan marvels at how many people would rather hunt for flaws in what Musk is doing than admit they are alive at an extraordinary moment.

Charity as a scam wrapped in virtue, and the USAID rabbit hole

The Elon-hate turns into the sharpest polemic of the hour. Rogan walks through the narrative that cutting USAID funding killed people, patients in hospitals that lost their money, and grants that a lot of that money is real fraud, not a rounding error. His deeper question is why the money was flowing at all. The country was not paying a debt or righting a wrong, it was being nice, and Rogan says he has stopped believing that governments give tax money away for no reason out of pure kindness. He used to think charity was real and now suspects most of it is a business wrapped in a cozy blanket of compassion, where good people join believing they will help the world, learn how it actually works, get stuck in the system, and climb a corporate ladder until some of them clear a million dollars a year. If it were really charity, he asks, why the big building, why the overhead, why not just funnel the money to the people who need it. Hinchcliffe brings the LA fire aid example he heard from Spencer Pratt: more than a hundred million dollars raised, then split across what Pratt told him was roughly two hundred different nonprofits, each paying its own salaries, rent, and overhead. Rogan folds in what Mike Benz has laid out on the show more than once, that USAID is not simple relief, it is the Agency for International Development, and its money has gone to things like subversive rap acts overseas, newspapers, and rebel movements meant to shake up foreign governments.

The rap-music conspiracy and the death of the audible verse

That thread about funded rap music tips into the tinfoil version. Rogan lays out the theory, flagging it as one of the most conspiratorial things people say, that gangster rap in the 1980s was pushed and produced with a nudge from some faction of the government or intelligence world, meant to create crime, fill private prisons, and erode society enough to justify more laws in the name of safety. He notes the strange present-day data point that raps like it is a rare stretch with no rap on the charts, and people are asking whether USAID was quietly propping the genre up. Neither of them fully buys it. Hinchcliffe, a self-described giant hip-hop fan just back from a Kanye show, says he believed it was all organic until mumble rap arrived, at which point it started to feel like something engineered to make people stupid. The bit gets sharp: imagine hearing Nas, deciding he is too smart, and deliberately promoting artists who can barely talk, some of them audibly on cough syrup.

Cough syrup, Nyquil, morphine drips, and the honesty of laughing gas

Cough syrup opens a long drug tangent. They land on lean being codeine cough syrup, and Rogan tells his NyQuil story from the 90s. Sick with the flu, he took a dose of the old formula, lay in bed under the covers, and felt an overwhelming warmth and softness that scared him, because he could tell right away it was the kind of feeling that ruins a life if the rest of your life is bad enough, and you can buy it at CVS. Jamie reads the original ingredients: ephedrine, doxylamine succinate as the antihistamine, acetaminophen, dextromethorphan as the cough suppressant, and about twenty five percent alcohol, so Rogan was getting drunk on top of it. The formula changed in the mid 2000s after the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act pulled pseudoephedrine. A Perplexity query confirms no standard US NyQuil ever carried codeine, so Rogan concedes he may just be misremembering the brand, using NyQuil the way people say Q-tips or Kleenex. He remembers the lesson clearly though: he had watched too many people get hooked and derail their lives, so he lay there deciding never to do it again. Rogan also recounts a morphine drip after a knee surgery, a button you can only press so often, riding it like a perpetual motion machine. Hinchcliffe's version is the laughing gas at an Austin dental spa that markets a luxurious experience, and he confesses it makes him weirdly, dangerously honest, invoking the truth serum from Kill Bill. Gassed to the gills in the chair, he once asked his dentist how long he studied, then asked whether he had ever thought about going longer and becoming a real doctor, and realized mid-sentence how cruel that was. This episode's ad read is for ZipRecruiter.

Teeth, root canals, sugar, and lead fillings

Dentistry becomes its own segment. Rogan tells the story of the root canal he needed after an old white filling cracked and the tooth got infected underneath. The dentist drilled in and a horrific smell hit the room, pus draining out, and the dentist calmly explained it was decay, an infection they would treat. Hinchcliffe recalls that kids used to get lead fillings, actual lead in a child's mouth, and Rogan notes how these infections can turn septic and kill you if you ignore them, the way a broken, infected tooth in the 1700s could be a death sentence. Hinchcliffe swears by high-pressure water flossers and describes flossing normally, brushing, then hitting the gaps with the water jet out of curiosity and watching three little things come flying out that would otherwise have marinated in his gum line. Rogan's dentist blames it all on sugar: cavities spiked once people started loading everything with sugar and kids started drinking sugary soda and eating candy that lodges in the teeth. High-fructose corn syrup, they agree, may be as bad or worse, and Rogan's framing sticks: nowhere in nature do you get twenty grams of sugar in pure liquid form to pour straight down your throat.

White Hawaiian pineapples and the friend who climbs trees

Sugar in nature leads to Hinchcliffe's high-school friend Anthony, a genuine free spirit who has lived in Hawaii for about twenty years climbing trees and cutting down his own pineapples and coconuts. Anthony checked a bag on a recent trip and surprised him with a custom case holding four coconuts and two white Hawaiian pineapples, the variety sometimes called sugarloaf or white jade, that runs around sixty five dollars each on the mainland when you can find them at all. They have higher sugar but far lower acidity, creamy white flesh, and an edible core, and Hinchcliffe describes them as basically nature delivering a clean sugar hit. It sets up the aside that Hawaii should be its own country, five hours from the mainland by plane, though Rogan says he is glad it is protected by the United States. The tell about Anthony: he is the kind of guy who buys a one-way ticket and figures it out, and right now he is spending a week and a half in Youngstown, which is how the conversation turns home.

Youngstown, the murder capital of America

Hinchcliffe's hometown becomes a real chapter. He describes how leaving Youngstown for Los Angeles felt like peace, because he stopped hearing constant police and ambulance sirens. He had braced for LA to be the war zone of the Tupac songs and found it quiet by comparison. A friend sent him a shirt printed with the stat that Youngstown was a four-time defending per-capita murder capital of America, the most dangerous place you could be during the exact developmental years when a kid should not be sleeping next to a window, which for Hinchcliffe was around 2001 and 2002, his sophomore and junior years. Rogan pulls up the history: sixty years ago the city was literally nicknamed Crime Town USA, a mob-run town with seventy five bombings and eleven killings in a decade, where a car bomb was called a Youngstown tuneup and someone once tried to kill the actual prosecutor. Hinchcliffe grew up on the most dilapidated part of the north side, raised by his mother. Rogan reads out a 2000 New Republic account listing a chief of police, the outgoing prosecutor, the sheriff, the county engineer, members of the local police force, a city law director, several defense attorneys, politicians, judges, and a former assistant US attorney as controlled by the mob. If that many were confirmed, Hinchcliffe says, imagine how many were not, in a city he estimates had only tens of thousands of white residents at most.

The mob, no-show jobs, and blockbusting

The mob stories keep coming. Rogan describes a friend with a genuine no-show union job at the Javits Center in New York, a paycheck for nothing, the Sopranos arrangement made real, unions negotiating for more jobs than the work actually required. Hinchcliffe worked at a little Italian restaurant right out of high school and watched mall developers and business moguls hold quiet corner meetings with congressmen and local officials, which is how he met a couple of congressmen young and started wondering out loud about the correlation. Back then, before cell phones, investigators had to physically bug businesses. Hinchcliffe pivots to his own family's brush with it through blockbusting: his grandfather bought a house in New Jersey in the 1940s, and real estate agents went door to door telling Italian families that Black people were moving in and they had to sell now. Everyone sold except a few, including his grandfather, who told the agents he liked Black people and to get out of his house. The neighborhood churned through Black families, then Dominican and other Spanish-speaking families, and by the time Hinchcliffe stayed there around 1991 the DEA had smashed down the door next door, where a man with an Audi in the driveway was selling crack. Rogan and Hinchcliffe frame it as cycles: waves of poor immigrants, Italian and Irish, moving up and out as the next wave arrives.

Poor immigrants and the cycles of boxing

Those immigrant cycles map cleanly onto boxing history. Rogan traces it from early-20th-century Jewish fighters like Maxie Rosenbloom through the great Italians, Rocky Marciano, Rocky Graziano, Jake LaMotta, then the Puerto Ricans, then fighters like Roberto Duran out of a poor and violent part of Panama. The pattern is always the newest, hungriest, most poverty-ridden group producing the hardest fighters. Youngstown itself is a boxing town, home of Kelly Pavlik and Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini, and Rogan still rewatches the end of Pavlik's comeback against Jermain Taylor for a jolt of energy, the fight where Pavlik looked finished, got dropped, then trapped Taylor in the corner and rallied.

Fight weekend: Boots Ennis, Gaethje versus Topuria, and broken noses

The fights get their own extended stretch. Rogan recaps Jaron "Boots" Ennis, one of the best boxers alive, beating a younger fighter he calls Zas, who got dropped in the second round, then came storming back in an incredible third round and rocked Boots before Boots stopped him around the seventh or eighth. The heart the kid showed reminds them of the Justin Gaethje versus Ilia Topuria fight, which Hinchcliffe watched cageside. He describes Topuria's terrifying close-range body punching, the left hook to the body with a whip-crack sound, landing right against their side of the fence. Rogan quotes Chael Sonnen, that if you try to win by knockout and fail you will not win a decision, and notes that Topuria hurt Gaethje but Gaethje is so durable he survived, then Topuria stopped him in the fourth. Gaethje still called Topuria's skills unmatched in the post-fight interview. They pivot to Max Holloway landing a jumping spinning back kick that broke Gaethje's nose in the last seconds of the first round of their BMF fight, changing everything, and then to Merab Dvalishvili, whose nose X-ray they marvel at, so destroyed that a man with the best cardio on Earth gets zero air through it. He will not fix it, because surgery means a year off, and Rogan's aside is that a fixed nose would give him ten percent more cardio, an extra weapon, though repeated breaks can lead to rib-graft reconstructions, bone infections, and worse.

Wrestling is the foundation, and the cruelty of youth weight classes

Before the deep wrestling talk, the two detour through the WNBA memes of the week, Sophie Cunningham pointing, players fouling and eye-poking and traveling four or five steps without a call. That opens a bit on the NBA gather step and how the modern game has quietly stopped calling traveling, with Rogan preferring the old rule that a step means you bounce the ball, and both admitting the loose rules produce more exciting scoring. It leads to Michael Jordan leaping from the free throw line, an athlete so possessed by the desire to win that he looked like he was flying, and the note that Jordan did not make his high school varsity team as a freshman, which most freshmen do not.

Then the real argument: wrestling is the single most important skill in fighting. Rogan tells parents that if they want a kid to be a real fighter, get him into a serious wrestling program, because elite wrestling shuts down world champions. He points to Hamzat Chimaev dragging Dricus du Plessis to the ground at will and catching him in a crucifix three times, and to Merab's no-look right hand into a salute against Ali. Both men wrestled in high school and remember the shock of it, that the karate and taekwondo they thought counted as working out were nothing next to a wrestling practice of running stairs, carrying training partners around the room, and doing push-ups to puke. Hinchcliffe describes the brutal reality of youth weight classes, being a hundred-and-three-pounder made to drill escapes against a two-hundred-fifty-pound teammate, and the huge gap between fifteen, seventeen, and nineteen. A nineteen-year-old with man strength cutting down to a hundred and thirty four to wrestle a boy is, in his word, rude, and it is why parents in Texas hold kids back a year so their fifteen-year-old is the biggest freshman.

Khabib on top, and the case against stand-ups

The wrestling argument peaks with Khabib Nurmagomedov. Rogan's favorite detail is not the punches raining down but Khabib's feet hooked under his opponent's feet, so the man underneath cannot even begin the process of standing, reduced to a tissue in the octagon with all of Khabib's weight torturing his hips. They break down his fights against Edson Barboza, who wore a thousand-yard stare of pure frustration, and Michael Johnson, who ate fifteen or twenty unanswered left hands. That sets up Rogan's rules-reform position: there should be no stand-ups except after a foul, because a man holding top position and biding his time is winning and has earned the right to recover and then unload, the same way Muhammad Ali earned the rope-a-dope by letting George Foreman burn out. Hinchcliffe goes further, proposing that each round should restart in the exact position the last one ended, a freeze-frame off the big screen, so a fighter cannot reset to his feet and get a knockout he did not earn. Rogan admits that running the UFC his way would probably bankrupt it, because he would make fights strictly by the rankings and would be too honest to promote.

The WWE, and the UFC card at the White House

A note that Sami Zayn beat Cody Rhodes for the WWE Universal Championship sends them to the UFC card held at the White House. Rogan calls it unlike any event he has felt, so raw and real that it played like the WWE at its best, storyline and spectacle at once. Regardless of politics, he says, it was a genuinely unusual experience, and he understands that people who hate the administration hate the whole idea, but the event MAGA-washed the news cycle and handed the White House undeniable positive press. The numbers were staggering, roughly thirty million on Paramount, an estimated hundred and fifty million across all formats, and Dana White and his son Hunter thought it could reach a billion in some form through clips of the Gaethje fight alone. Rogan, who never gets nervous for the UFC, was legitimately nervous standing on the White House lawn, and says the flyover of jets flying wingtip to wingtip is when it really hit him.

The cancelled correspondents dinner, Shane as Trump, Adam Ray as Biden

The White House thread leads to the cancelled White House Correspondents Dinner, scrapped after an assassination attempt in which a man made it to the first security scan and shot a Secret Service agent in his bulletproof vest, a man who was reportedly a substitute teacher. It was rescheduled for July 24th at the Waldorf Astoria. Hinchcliffe had written jokes for the president to deliver against the press, and when the dinner fell through he ran them at the Kennedy Center with Adam Ray reading them in Trump's voice, seeing them cold. That becomes a loving digression on Adam Ray's range, and on the legendary Kill Tony where Hinchcliffe paired Shane Gillis as Trump with Adam Ray as Joe Biden, timed right after the debate where Biden looked zonked. He recounts the bit where Shane-as-Trump asks how many more guys are coming out of the bucket after two disabled contestants had appeared, Hinchcliffe pulls the name of a contestant named Jacob Bar who happens to have deformed arms, and Shane's real, involuntary facial reaction to seeing the hands is the whole joke. Shane's reactions, Hinchcliffe says, are his secret weapon, amplified when he is Trump, and he compares Shane to Mike Tyson in his prime and to Jackie Gleason, the great one of the generation, that funny all the time in every green room and stairwell.

The Kevin Hart roast, white pride versus brown pride, and Strickland banned

The roast of Kevin Hart, which Hinchcliffe describes as billed like a roast of Black excellence, is where the outrage thread properly begins. He and Shane closed it and had the time of their lives, and Hinchcliffe used a joke about a George Floyd for the end. That leads to a riff on what you are allowed to say: Cain Velasquez wore brown pride on his chest as a champion whose family walked here from Mexico, and nobody blinked, but white pride would end a career, which is why Sean Strickland posting a picture of himself next to Velasquez, one chest reading brown pride and the other white pride, would detonate. Strickland, the story goes, was banned from the White House UFC event despite being an American world champion, kept away over his criticism of Israel and some Epstein comments, arrested and removed even from the fan area. Rogan finds it wild that criticizing Israel keeps a sitting American champion out of a White House title card, and both agree Strickland should host a podcast when he retires, because when he drops the act he is smart and a great guest.

Josh the troll, Pereira's weight, Gane, and Ngannou

The champion who did appear and cause a stir is an American heavyweight the two call Josh, who told the White House crowd that Michelle Obama is a man, wore an American flag bandana and sunglasses, and walked out to a Hulk Hogan song. Rogan reads it as deliberate trolling for attention, the same line Josh used in a previous interview, and stresses that none of the persona would matter if he could not fight, but he can, a fast, light-footed heavyweight with fast hands. That opens a heavyweight survey: Alex Pereira losing to Ciryl Gane and maybe retiring, with a long analysis of Pereira carrying too much weight at 251 pounds when a lighter frame around 230 might keep his speed and knockout power. Gane, they agree, is an agile heavyweight who started in basketball, which prompts a genuinely interesting point that basketball is a great base for striking because of its constant direction changes and plyometric hops, imagining Jordan with a flying knee. Gane came up as a Muay Thai striker and learned wrestling late, which is why Jon Jones submitted him quickly and why Francis Ngannou beat him mostly on the ground while fighting on a blown-out ACL. The lament is that Ngannou, the lineal heavyweight champion, is not in the UFC, and Rogan says he tried to make it happen. They praise the way Turki Alalshikh and Riyadh Season have forced big boxing fights that used to be impossible to make, Tyson Fury versus Oleksandr Usyk, and even Usyk against kickboxer Rico Verhoeven.

Fighters who age well, and the fights that end careers

Aging becomes the theme. Bernard Hopkins beat Kelly Pavlik at 43 when almost nobody gave him a chance, and fought at a world-class level into his fifties, which they call nearly unheard of. The dark counterpoint is the fight that ends a man: Meldrick Taylor against Julio Cesar Chavez, stopped by referee Richard Steele with two seconds left while Taylor was ahead on the cards, the real story being that the damage Chavez inflicted meant Taylor was never the same. Pavlik won two more, then a staph infection and a bad antibiotic reaction nearly killed him before he lost to Sergio Martinez. Hinchcliffe went down a Marcos Maidana rabbit hole and marvels at a fighter who rocked Floyd Mayweather, knocked a tooth out of him, and wore that tooth on a necklace, a square-jawed animal who dropped Adrien Broner in his prime.

Floyd's watches, going broke, and Nicolas Cage's dinosaur skulls

Mayweather turns into a meditation on burning through a fortune. Rogan cannot fathom making that much and running out, but explains exactly how it happens through lifestyle. Floyd, at 49 with a reported 750 million dollars earned, built a whole identity around showing his wealth, and they play the clip of him bragging that he takes thirty watches for a thirty-day vacation, ten more watches for ten more days, and will bring out the one-and-only 18-million-dollar watch, tossing away fifty thousand dollars for the haters because he has nothing else to do. Rogan does the math out loud: an 18-million-dollar watch is fine once, but eighteen expensive watches plus a fleet of half-million-dollar Rolls-Royces and near-million-dollar Ferraris is fifty or sixty million in toys alone, and you have to earn well over a hundred to keep sixty. He suggests Floyd could make it back with a documentary like the 30 for 30 film Broke about NFL players who lost everything. The other cautionary tale is Nicolas Cage, who went from a 150-million-dollar fortune to 6 million in debt, never formally declared bankruptcy, and clawed back by relentlessly taking movie roles and selling assets, having spent his money on wild things like Tyrannosaurus skulls and, per one article, 276,000 dollars in 2005, about 455,000 today, for two snakes. They walk his filmography back through Peggy Sue Got Married, Raising Arizona, Valley Girl, and Fast Times at Ridgemont High, noting he was born Nicolas Coppola and changed his name to escape the shadow of his uncle Francis Ford Coppola.

Coen brothers, Kingpin, and Woody Harrelson the freak

Raising Arizona pulls them into a comedy-movie appreciation. It is a Coen brothers film, and they nominate the Coens and the Farrelly brothers as possible GOATs of comedy, remembering Randall "Tex" Cobb, the boxer with the flattened nose who fought Larry Holmes, on the motorcycle in it. Kingpin gets a full riff, including the story that the crew primed the actors to fake excitement because Bill Murray had to throw three consecutive strikes, and Murray did it first try and the celebration was real. From there it is all Woody Harrelson, the freak who sneaks into greatness in No Country for Old Men and The People vs. Larry Flynt and mesmerizes as LBJ. Harrelson now goes to Kill Tony and hangs out like one of the crew, has no phone so you reach him through his wife, grows his own weed, makes his own tequila, and eats live food, a man who found a way through fame by disconnecting from it. He has a show with Matthew McConaughey coming to Apple TV where they play brothers.

Post-roast outrage, and comedy taken as statements

Back to the roast fallout, Hinchcliffe is always surprised these things have legs. He did a George Floyd joke and a Kyle Rittenhouse joke at the Tom Brady roast, and at the Hart roast a Charlie Kirk joke sat right beside the George Floyd one, his whole philosophy being that everybody gets hit, he does not want you to love a hundred percent of his jokes, he is the heel, the bad-guy wrestling fan. The people most offended, he notes, were comedians who were not even at the roast, while Tiffany Haddish handled a baiting TMZ question perfectly, saying the show should have been shorter and that she missed the George Floyd joke because she had to pee, which Rogan calls her version of a walk-off knockout, funny and completely correct that nobody in the room was upset. They diagnose the machine underneath: outrage is a commodity now, engagement is the product, people want to be outraged and want to be right and will ride a hot take for all the juice it holds. It maps onto Louis CK saying deliberately awful things he did not mean because they were funny, which everyone understood until around 2016 when people started taking comedy as literal statements, right as social media matured and gave everyone an avenue to perform deep offense. Rogan's blunt read is that the comics who make outrage their whole business tend to have unimpressive careers and be genuinely mentally ill, medicated and in therapy while calling everyone fascists, and their opinions carry no weight precisely because everyone can see they are unwell. Hinchcliffe adds the practical point that the online rage does not convert to ticket sales, it is just a temporary drug filling a void, and if you have spent a decade spitting hate and then get popular, all that hate comes back at you, which is part of why he says that even though the Carlos Mencia plagiarism callout was the right thing to do, he would not do it again, because the darkness of it was too much. That episode also showed him how absent of morals the business is, that people knew what Mencia was doing word for word and did not care because they were profiting.

Inspired by, or stolen: Creep, Bittersweet Symphony, and Clint Eastwood

The Mencia point turns into a genuinely interesting tour of music-plagiarism law, the contrast being that comedy has almost no legal protection while music is ferociously litigious. Hinchcliffe brings up Radiohead having to give writing credit on Creep to The Hollies for The Air That I Breathe, then Radiohead's camp turning around and accusing Lana Del Rey of ripping Creep with Get Free. Jamie reads the Bittersweet Symphony saga: The Verve built it from a sample of a 1965 orchestral version of the Rolling Stones song The Last Time, and after a lawsuit by former manager Allen Klein they handed all royalties and songwriting credit to Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, until 2019 when the rights were finally signed back to Richard Ashcroft. The wildest example is the Gorillaz song Clint Eastwood, whose backbone Hinchcliffe says came from a preset demo button on a cheap toy keyboard. The throughline is Elvis Presley building a career inspired by Black musicians, and the distinction that inspired-by is what every artist does, the way that chip machine was built on the work of thousands before it, while word-for-word theft is a different thing, and modern lawyers cannot tell the two apart, which is why bands like Olivia Rodrigo and Paramore keep trading credits.

The song	What it echoed	How it resolved
The Verve, Bitter Sweet Symphony	a 1965 orchestral take on the Rolling Stones' The Last Time	All royalties and credit went to Jagger and Richards, returned to Ashcroft only in 2019
Radiohead, Creep	The Hollies, The Air That I Breathe	Writing credit given to the older song
Lana Del Rey, Get Free	Radiohead, Creep (per Radiohead's camp)	Publicly disputed, close but clearly its own song
Gorillaz, Clint Eastwood	a preset demo on a cheap toy keyboard	No dispute, the backbone was a factory sound

Figure 3. The music-borrowing cases Rogan and Hinchcliffe walked through, and their point that inspired-by and stolen are different things the law struggles to separate. Amber marks a case that cost the artist their credit or royalties, green a case that stayed the artist's own.

The news is fake, and X became the news

The engagement economy leads straight into media. Hinchcliffe stays off X because opening it means an avalanche of news stories that make him furious, and Rogan agrees that X is now simply the news. He tells a story of flipping channels in a DC hotel after a State of the Union, finding CNN with six people in total agreement that the president caused Black deaths and made America a laughingstock, then Fox News stressing him out with its counterpoint segment, then MSNBC, until he put on The Silence of the Lambs and found peace in the Buffalo Bill scene, asleep five minutes later. They mourn what CNN used to be, Anthony Bourdain traveling the world showing food and culture and the real problems of communities, before it went all outrage, and note that Bari Weiss may now run both CBS News and CNN. The distrust runs deep: Rogan cites Tim Dillon hosting two New York Times reporters who claimed there is no evidence Jeffrey Epstein was intelligence, which Rogan flatly rejects, pointing again to Mike Benz. The pattern he sees is that legacy outlets can only tell you the news they are approved to tell, which is why they do not cover early vaccine safety signals, the Fauci material, or Tulsi Gabbard's speech about pressured scientists changing their view on gain-of-function research, and why nobody paid a price for Russiagate. The catch, they admit, is that X is also full of lies, bots, AI fakes, and old videos relabeled as breaking news, so you dip a toe in and feel poisoned, yet feel irresponsible looking away.

Saudi Arabia, and the money nobody knows they turned down

The media distortion connects to the Saudi story, because Hinchcliffe says the press invented a version where he took Saudi money. In fact he and Shane Gillis both turned down the Riyadh Comedy Festival, money that the old bag-boy version of Tony would never have imagined refusing, and Netflix clipped a Chelsea Handler joke about comics taking Saudi money and pinned it with his reaction shot, making it look like the joke was on him when he was one of the two who said no. He points out that the comics Handler praised, and Handler herself, are exactly the type who would take the money, and that she once attended a dinner at Epstein's house. The people who did go include Kevin Hart, Pete Davidson, and Jessica Kirson, a lesbian comic from New York who Hinchcliffe says murdered over there and then donated her whole fee to the Human Rights Campaign, and Tom Segura, who posted a photo of a Ferrari captioned thanks Saudi Arabia. Hinchcliffe's own view is generous: he personally would not go, and he understands boycotting over the killing of Jamal Khashoggi, but he has no problem with the comics who went, because standup like music and literature changes minds, and the audience is just Saudi citizens who came out to laugh and to see that people on the other side of the world share their wish to have fun with friends and family. He notes the double standard that Saudi-funded boxing draws almost no criticism even from left-leaning MMA media, while comics like Louis CK and Bill Burr get destroyed for it, and lands on Segura's attitude as the right one: perform wherever you want and ignore the noise.

Comedian	Riyadh Comedy Festival	What the show says
Tony Hinchcliffe	Turned it down	Offered life-changing money, said no, then got clipped as if he took it
Shane Gillis	Turned it down	The other of the two who declined
Jessica Kirson	Went	Killed on stage, then donated the fee to the Human Rights Campaign
Tom Segura	Went	Posted a Ferrari captioned thanks Saudi Arabia, ignored the outrage
Kevin Hart, Pete Davidson	Went	Named as having taken the money, without the backlash aimed at others

Figure 4. Who took the Saudi money and who did not, per Hinchcliffe's account, and his point that the press told the story backwards. Green marks the two who declined, amber those who performed.

A polarized country and California's decline

Hinchcliffe's suggestion for a polarized society is simple: try not engaging for a month and see how much better you feel, talk to people and make friends. He points to Gavin Newsom getting destroyed in the replies every time he posts, and to the wear of that cortisol on anyone whose whole life is arguing online. As traveling comedians who spend weekends in real cities getting coffee and dealing with hotel staff, they claim a kind of ground-level read that a pundit in New Hampshire lacks, and their read on California is grim, San Francisco and the major cities hollowed out with pockets of common sense surviving in San Diego, Huntington Beach, and Newport. Rogan describes the drive from LAX to West Hollywood as gruesome now, everything for lease or empty. The one new landmark is the Obama Presidential Center in Chicago, which cost around 850 million dollars and which people online called an eyesore, though Rogan says he actually loves it, the brutalist concrete and glass with words running around the top like something out of Blade Runner.

Concrete and glass houses, and the man shot in his own

Brutalism turns into a house tangent. Rogan loves that kind of concrete-and-big-glass architecture, common in the Hollywood Hills, and once looked at a ten-million-dollar version right on the street, close enough for a passerby to touch the front door. When the seller boasted about a state-of-the-art security system, Rogan told him the system would just capture footage of a ski-masked man robbing the place, and two weeks later the owner was shot in the neck inside the house. They agree the real problem with hillside homes is the escape route, and that you want to be near the bottom, or, like the setup on the tippy-top of the hill, so high a robber would rob an easier house first. Hinchcliffe describes looking at the old Comedy Store house above the club where Sam Kinison and Pauly Shore once stayed, that Mitzi Shore was selling, and passing on it because the yard was too small and it sat too close to the beast that is the Comedy Store. The consensus is that for all the beauty of a glass museum on a hill, they would both rather have a regular house with windows, a cup of coffee, and some trees.

Really Slow, the street racer cops cannot catch

Rogan surfaces a YouTube rabbit hole about a street racer who goes by Really Slow, spelled RYLSLO, a legend who baits police in a black Corvette, then hits a button that kills his headlights and switches to night vision, entering what the edits call ghost mode. His car runs over a thousand horsepower against police Crown Victorias with maybe three hundred, so he simply disappears, banging planned U-turns and flashing his lights to clear traffic, filming and uploading it all while hiding his identity behind a voice changer, a fake plate reading WELLRUN, a proxy or VPN, and a 3D rear camera. He seems to operate around Dallas, and Rogan notes the Texas tuner that builds Dodge Vipers with two thousand horsepower. The darkness is real, cops wiping out and slamming into other cars during the chases, the genuine risk of a red-light run killing someone, which keeps it from being pure fun.

Kanye on the globe, the greatest production Tony has ever seen

The back half's centerpiece is Kanye West. Hinchcliffe went to a show in Tampa after his friend got tickets, part of a run of pop-up stadium concerts Kanye announces a week or two out, letting a stadium fill an otherwise empty night and sell beer and merch. Kanye does not promote them, everyone else does, including the mayors and governors who denounce them and thereby advertise them, and they fill to the top. The staging floored a lifelong Pink Floyd fan who expects a live show to be ahead of its time. Kanye enters through the crowd to an in-the-round stage, then rises on a lift into an inflatable globe he stands atop, tethered so he cannot fall, the only person with access, making it impossible to storm. He does not stop for two and a half hours, never pausing to thank the crowd until the very end when he says it is all about love, and a keyboardist's long solo on a breath-controlled instrument is the only break Kanye gets to catch his breath. As the greatest producer in the genre, every sound in the building is his, and Hinchcliffe brought a skeptical friend who left a diehard convert. He relays an online psychological breakdown claiming that people who like Kanye believe in themselves, that if his I-am-a-god braggadocio turns you off, it means you are insecure, though Rogan pushes back that some people just dislike bragging, while both of them love it in Nas, Biggie, and Tupac, feeling what the rapper feels when the lines land.

0:00The world at war, and the impossible chip machine Rogan hides inside.
7:00Charity as a scam, USAID, and the funded-rap conspiracy.
12:10Cough syrup, NyQuil, morphine, and honest laughing gas.
19:15Root canals, sugar, lead fillings, and white Hawaiian pineapples.
26:20Youngstown, the murder capital, the mob, and blockbusting.
36:00Fight weekend: Boots Ennis, Gaethje vs Topuria, and broken noses.
49:30Wrestling is the foundation, youth weight classes, Khabib on top.
1:03:00The WWE and the UFC card at the White House.
1:06:40Cancelled correspondents dinner, Shane as Trump, Adam Ray as Biden.
1:14:25The Kevin Hart roast, white pride vs brown pride, Strickland banned.
1:20:00Josh the troll, Pereira's weight, Gane, and Ngannou.
1:31:20Floyd's watches, going broke, and Nicolas Cage's dinosaur skulls.
1:38:00Coen brothers, Kingpin, and Woody Harrelson the freak.
1:42:15Post-roast outrage, comedy as statements, and music lawsuits.
2:04:00The news is fake and X became the news.
2:13:35Saudi Arabia, the money nobody knows they turned down.
2:20:15A polarized country, California's decline, the Obama Center.
2:30:35Really Slow, the street racer cops cannot catch.
2:34:40Kanye on the globe, the greatest production Tony has seen.
2:42:10Rock vs rap, Pink Floyd, and Dark Side of the Rainbow.

Figure 5. The full arc of the hang, segment by segment. The video has no creator-set chapters, so timestamps are estimated from position in the transcript.

Rock versus rap, Pink Floyd, and Dark Side of the Rainbow

The close is a music-nerd cooldown. They lament that there are far fewer big rock bands than when they were kids, when rock was everything and liking rap made you a weirdo, so Hinchcliffe became a rap fan almost secretly while everyone around him was into rock. He just got Roy Orbison on vinyl and is discovering the songs beyond Oh, Pretty Woman, which lets him make his favorite point about typecasting, that Pink Floyd is remembered for radio cuts like Wish You Were Here and Another Brick in the Wall when their real work is the seventeen-minute Echoes and the sprawling Shine On You Crazy Diamond. The 70s let bands take wild chances, Free Bird with its slow build that executives wanted cut, Whole Lotta Love with a minute and a half of pure sound. Hinchcliffe recounts a scene from the Queen movie Bohemian Rhapsody where the executive rejects the title track as eight minutes of gibberish, and a bandmate shuts him up by pointing at the Dark Side of the Moon on his wall, the album that opens with a heartbeat and no words. That triggers the Dark Side of the Rainbow synchronicity, the way the album lines up with The Wizard of Oz, the good witch and bad witch on cue, the girl balancing on the fence falling exactly as the chaos in the music starts. Roger Waters has always said it is coincidental, but both find it too perfect, near-impossible to have produced deliberately with the technology of the time, and Rogan calls it evidence of the simulation, one of the craziest coincidences of all time. The episode ends warmly, Rogan congratulating Hinchcliffe on the run he is having, telling him the hits only make the jokes better, keep on trucking, on to the next one, Tuesdays and Wednesdays at the Comedy Mothership.

Key takeaways

The most complex machine humans build, the EUV lithography system behind every modern chip, hits fifty thousand molten-tin droplets a second three times each at 220,000 Kelvin, is never off by more than five atoms, and only one company on Earth can make it. Every AI advance rides on that precision.
Rogan's harshest thesis is about charity and foreign aid: much of it is a business wrapped in virtue, most of the money going to salaries, overhead, and buildings rather than to people, with USAID reaching into foreign media and politics rather than pure relief.
The unifying life advice under all the jokes: outrage is now a commodity and engagement is the product, engaging with it floods you with cortisol and does not convert to anything real, and the healthiest move is to stop for a month, make friends, and make people laugh.
Wrestling is the foundation of fighting. Elite wrestling shuts down world champions, from Khabib pinning opponents' feet so they cannot even start to stand, to Hamzat Chimaev dragging a champion down at will.
Comedy has almost no legal protection while music is ferociously litigious, and the two men insist the line that matters is inspired-by versus stolen, a distinction lawyers and outrage merchants both fail to draw.
The press told the Saudi story backwards. Hinchcliffe and Shane Gillis turned the money down and got clipped as if they took it, while the comics who actually went drew selective outrage.
Both trust television news less than they trust a poisoned, bot-filled X, because legacy outlets can only report what they are approved to report, which is why so much never gets covered.

Chapters

0:00:00 The world at war, and the most important machine ever built 0:05:00 Repopulating the earth on the backs of undistracted geniuses 0:07:00 Elon, USAID, and charity as a scam wrapped in virtue 0:10:20 The rap-music conspiracy and mumble rap 0:12:10 Cough syrup, NyQuil, morphine drips, and honest laughing gas 0:19:15 Teeth, root canals, sugar, and lead fillings 0:23:05 White Hawaiian pineapples and a friend who climbs trees 0:26:20 Youngstown, the murder capital of America 0:29:00 The mob, no-show jobs, and blockbusting 0:35:25 Poor immigrants and the cycles of boxing 0:36:57 Fight weekend: Boots Ennis, Gaethje vs Topuria, broken noses 0:44:55 WNBA memes, traveling, and Jordan flying from the free throw line 0:49:30 Wrestling is the foundation, and youth weight classes 0:54:40 Khabib on top, and why there should be no stand-ups 1:03:00 The WWE, and the UFC card at the White House 1:06:40 The cancelled correspondents dinner, Shane as Trump, Adam Ray as Biden 1:14:25 The Kevin Hart roast, white pride vs brown pride, Strickland banned 1:20:00 Josh the troll, Pereira's weight, Gane, and Ngannou 1:27:00 Fighters who age well, and fights that end careers 1:31:20 Floyd's watches, going broke, and Nicolas Cage's dinosaur skulls 1:38:00 Coen brothers, Kingpin, and Woody Harrelson the freak 1:42:15 Post-roast outrage, and comedy taken as statements 1:56:30 Inspired by vs stolen: Creep, Bittersweet Symphony, Clint Eastwood 2:04:00 The news is fake and X became the news 2:13:35 Saudi Arabia, the money nobody knows they turned down 2:20:15 A polarized country and California's decline 2:25:50 Concrete and glass houses, and the man shot in his own 2:30:35 Really Slow, the street racer cops cannot catch 2:34:40 Kanye on the globe, the greatest production Tony has seen 2:42:10 Rock vs rap, Pink Floyd, and Dark Side of the Rainbow 2:48:00 Close: keep on trucking

Notable quotes

"There's people out there, Tony, that are doing things way different than us. We're out there talking about sucking dicks and people shitting themselves, and what's going on in other parts of the world is people are doing science fiction." Rogan, on the chip machine, 0:01:30.
"For every one of these people that makes an invention like this, you're making this on the back of thousands and thousands of super geniuses that have figured out each and every step of the way." Rogan, 0:03:10.
"I used to think that charity was real. And now I look at it, I go, oh no, this is a giant scam that's wrapped up in virtue, wrapped up in a nice cozy blanket of being kind and compassionate." Rogan, 0:08:15.
"I believed that until I heard mumble rap and I'm like, this is not real. This is trying to make people stupid." Rogan, on the funded-rap theory, 0:11:20.
"This is wonderful. And I remember thinking, ooh, this is dangerous. Because if your life was shit and you found that that's better than anything else happening in your life. And you can get it at CVS." Rogan, on NyQuil, 0:13:40.
"Where in nature do you get 20 grams of sugar just in liquid form and you just pump it down? Ah, refreshing." Rogan, on soda, 0:22:30.
"It's just what you're taught is humanity. Like that's life." Hinchcliffe, on growing up on Goodfellas, Godfather, and the mob in Youngstown, 0:31:40.
"You are nothing. You are a tissue in an octagon with a man, and he's wailing on your face." Hinchcliffe, on being under Khabib, 0:55:10.
"There's something to being on that mat, not being able to move, knowing that the clock is ticking, and this is not how you picture this going." Rogan, 0:58:20.
"I want you to like, I don't want you to like 100% of any of my jokes. I'm not that guy. I'm heelish. I'm a bad-guy wrestling fan." Hinchcliffe, on the roast, 1:44:30.
"Outrage is the commodity that everybody wants. They want to be outraged and they want to be right." Rogan, 1:52:00.
"Bob Marley didn't really shoot the sheriff. It's just jokes." Rogan, on comedy taken as statements, 1:53:40.
"There's stealing and then there's inspired by. Inspired by is what we were all doing." Hinchcliffe, on Elvis and the music lawsuits, 1:59:10.
"You just dip your toe into the water and you just feel poisoned. You're like, I got to get out of here. But then you feel irresponsible for not paying attention." Hinchcliffe, on X and the news, 2:11:30.
"Standup comedy, like music, like literature, changes people's minds. You win hearts and minds." Hinchcliffe, on performing in Saudi Arabia, 2:18:00.
"It is the most diabolical show I've ever seen in my entire life. Ever. And I come from the school of Pink Floyd." Hinchcliffe, on the Kanye concert, 2:36:20.
"It almost seems like evidence of the simulation, because it's so good the way it lines up." Rogan, on Dark Side of the Rainbow, 2:46:10.

Resources mentioned

ASML and extreme ultraviolet lithography, the chip-printing machine at the center of the cold open.
Samsung Semiconductor, and Intel Core processor binning that produces i9 and i7 chips from one wafer.
USAID, and Mike Benz, whose breakdowns of it Rogan cites.
Spencer Pratt and the 2025 Southern California wildfires fire-aid example.
NyQuil, the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005, and lean.
Perplexity, the show's search sponsor, and ZipRecruiter, the ad read.
Youngstown, Ohio, The New Republic, and blockbusting.
Boxers: Kelly Pavlik, Ray Mancini, Roberto Duran, Bernard Hopkins, Meldrick Taylor, Julio Cesar Chavez, Sergio Martinez, Marcos Maidana, Floyd Mayweather, Jaron "Boots" Ennis.
Fighters: Justin Gaethje, Ilia Topuria, Max Holloway, Merab Dvalishvili, Khabib Nurmagomedov, Hamzat Chimaev, Dricus du Plessis, Edson Barboza, Alex Pereira, Ciryl Gane, Jon Jones, Francis Ngannou, Sean Strickland.
Chael Sonnen, Dana White, the UFC, and Saudi boxing via Turki Alalshikh and Riyadh Season.
Kill Tony and the Comedy Mothership, with Shane Gillis, Adam Ray, and Woody Harrelson.
The Roast of Kevin Hart and The Roast of Tom Brady, with Tiffany Haddish and Pete Davidson.
Movies: Raising Arizona, Kingpin, No Country for Old Men, The People vs. Larry Flynt, LBJ, and the Coen brothers and Farrelly brothers.
Nicolas Cage, Francis Ford Coppola, and the 30 for 30 film Broke.
Music lawsuits: The Verve and Bitter Sweet Symphony, Radiohead's Creep and The Hollies, Lana Del Rey, and the Gorillaz.
Media: X, CNN, Fox News, CBS News and Bari Weiss, The New York Times, Tim Dillon, and Anthony Bourdain.
Riyadh Comedy Festival and the comics debate: Chelsea Handler, Jessica Kirson and the Human Rights Campaign, Tom Segura, Bill Burr, and Jamal Khashoggi.
Obama Presidential Center, brutalist architecture, and the Comedy Store.
Kanye West, Pink Floyd and The Dark Side of the Moon, Dark Side of the Rainbow, Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody, and Roy Orbison.

Full transcript

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. All day. >> What's up? What's going on? What's happening? >> Chaos. I love it. >> Everything. >> Yeah. The world's crazy. >> Center of the storm. I think I think the world's back at war today again. Like officially, >> right? >> I don't know. I don't think that agreement with Iran lasted at all. >> Which one? >> I think there's there was bombings today in Lebanon and I think there's bombings today in American bases. >> I try to not pay attention, dude. I really do. I try to distract myself with science stuff and space. Uh, I was watching this documentary yesterday on how they make chips, like how they make like semiconductor chips. Dude, this [ __ ] machine that they use. I'm going to send you this, Jamie, because it's bananas. It's like one of the most complex machines in the world. And this this machine they use to make semiconductors, make chips. And they were explaining the process of making these chips, how [ __ ] nuts it is, man. the the amount of atoms that are stacked on and like the way they do it to make these like super complex high-end chips. There's people out there, Tony, that are doing things way different than us. Okay? We're out there talking about sucking dicks and people [ __ ] themselves. And what's going on in other parts of the world is people are doing science fiction. like they're they're actually doing science fiction. Uh here it is. Give me a second. I uh like to save things. Here it is. The world's most important machine. >> It's the one that's an hour long. >> Yes. Did you find it? >> Yeah. Just an hour long. >> Yeah. But go just go to the There's some animation where they show how they make these things. Like it was right where you were at. >> This is right at the beginning. >> Yeah. Okay. Oh, okay. So, they're just showing some of the um the different aspects of how these things are made. Look, go back to where that guy had the laser beam. That's perfect, actually, where that guy had the laser beam. So, this is him explaining this. So, look at this. Back it up a little bit and give me some volume. >> Can you back it up a little bit, please? >> I want to introduce it to you with a thought experiment. Imagine you are shrunk down to the size of an end and you're given a laser that's strong enough to melt through metal like butter. Next, a tiny droplet of molten tin, roughly the size of a white blood cell, is shot out in front of you around 250 km hour. And your task is to hit this not once, not twice, but three times in a row in 20 microsconds with your little laser. Well, that is exactly what this machine does. It hits one tiny tin droplet three times in a row, heating each one up to over 220,000 Kelvin. That's roughly 40 times hotter than the surface of the sun. And it doesn't just hit one droplet. It hits 50,000 droplets every single second. >> How often do you miss a laser shot? >> We don't miss them. >> What? You do 150,000 laser shots a second and you don't miss one. >> Exactly. The same machine also contains mirrors that might just be the smoothest objects in the universe. If you scale one up to the size of the Earth, then the largest bump would be no thicker than a playing card. >> On top of that, it is able to overlay one layer of a chip perfectly on top of another and never be off by more than five atoms. And this is all happening while parts of the machine whip around at accelerations of over 20 GS. For 30 years, almost everyone thought that actually building this machine was impossible. And yet, it exists. There is only one company in the world that can make it. So, what is this company? And what is this impossible machine they've built? This video is >> There you go. >> That's it. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> What are they doing with that? >> All computers, like computer chips that are getting better and better and better. All these AI chips. This is how they make One interesting thing I can just add, I know when they make those, they make like a big sheet of chips, you know? >> Mhm. >> Like there'll be like 30 or 50 of them. They'll test each one in the ones that are the best, but test like one out of 100. The ones that are like closest to 100 become like the i9 chip. And if it's like uh 85 out of 100, it becomes like the i7 chip. So they all come off the same sheet. Like the best ones become the best chips. They sell them for the most money. >> The next ones are just a little degraded. >> No kidding. Interesting. So where there was that issue with that Samsung chip factory and it was about they weren't getting the results that they wanted. So it's probably they were getting more of the shitty chips >> and not enough of the perfect >> chips. They want really high-end chips and it's the real >> you can smoke. We have a fan in here, dude. >> Sweet. >> Um yeah. Uh, I mean, imagine if everybody died and it was just us in this room and there was like three late Well, be more than that. We'd have to have more people. Otherwise, we're going to [ __ ] up the gene pool. We're all going to look like the English royals. We need We probably need a few thousand people. A few thousand people like regular people like you and I that don't know [ __ ] about how these things work. >> How much time would we need if we repopulated the earth with what we know? Basically, you're starting out like a [ __ ] like a halfass prepper, you know, like someone who's on an episode of Lost, you know, like a one of those plane crash people trying to figure out how to survive out there. You're [ __ ] >> Oh, yeah. >> You're not inventing that. >> Uh-uh. >> How long is it going to take? >> Infinity. >> And how many people have to pave the way? This is the thing. For every one of these people that makes uh an invention like this, you're making this on the back of thousands and thousands and thousands of [ __ ] super geniuses that have figured out each and every step of the way that can lead you to thinking, is this possible that we could do this next? You know, they all build on each other. So, you need all these guys and hopefully they don't get any [ __ ] because otherwise they're going to get distracted, >> you know? Well, I bet if one of them gets a hot wife, like one of their patents kicks and they they start making bank and then all a sudden he shows up for work in a Ferrari and next you know he's got a hot wife. Everybody's like, "Oh my god." >> Yeah. Civilization just went back 100 200 years. >> We're going to lose Tim. >> Tim Tim's taking Adderall, coding 18 hours a day trying to figure out how to get us to Mars. Actually, that's a bad point because Elon clearly gets [ __ ] and doesn't seem to be affecting him at all. >> I think Elon's different. >> He's definitely different. >> Yeah. I mean, some people are different, different different. >> It's fascinating how many people want to find flaws in what he's doing >> instead of just looking at this like, wow, this is an extraordinary time to be alive. But it's because of this narrative that people have. uh one of them the big one is this US aid is killing people narrative that people have died because of US aid then a bunch of people have given examples of how uh them cutting the funding has led to the end of certain people's lives like where they were in hospitals that didn't have any funding and there's a lot of that that you could point to say right if they had the money they would have had the funding and they would have had that equipment in place or maybe they wouldn't have but here's the other thing that's not discounting the fact that a lot of that money is fraud. >> A lot of it. Like it's not a little amount. And the idea that you should let it go on because it's going to save lives and there's a bunch of people that are stealing money. Okay, I see that argument. But why are we sending them money in the first place? Like wh what's Did we do something to them? Do we owe them money? No. Okay, we're just being nice. Are you sure we're just being nice? Is there anybody profiting of us off of us being nice? Cuz usually just being nice for no reason and just giving tax money away for no reason. I don't think they do that. I don't think that's real. I used to think that was real. I used to think that charity was real. And now I look at I go, "Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is a giant scam that's wrapped up in virtue. It's wrapped up in a nice cozy blanket of being kind and compassionate and virtuous and doing good things for people all around the world." I think a lot of people get involved in those things because that's what they think. We're going to do good things around the world. They're good people. I really believe that. And then they find out how it really works and then they get stuck in that system and then they're making their way up their, you know, air quotes corporate ladder to the point where some of them are making a million dollars a year and you're like, what is this? >> What is this? This is a business. This isn't really charity. Most of the money is going to your employees and your overhead and your why do you have such a big building? Like what are you doing? How come you're not just funneling the money to these people? >> Exactly. >> What? Like the LA fire aid. Yeah. Great example. Spencer Pratt told me how many what number did he say of nonprofits got that money? So over a hund00 million gets raised. I don't know the exact total. All of it goes to these different nonprofits. I think he said 200 different nonprofits got the money. >> So and then what happens to that? Well, they just pay their employees. They pay overhead. They pay their rent on [ __ ] nice office on wherever they live. >> [ __ ] man. It's so disheartening because you you've so that's what all that stuff is and it's also if you listen to it when Mike Benz has been on my podcast a few times and explains us a people think of it as aid you think of it as oh we're helping the world which is great right but it's not that it's the agency for international development and it involves funding rap bands overseas that are uh the subversive rap bands that are supposed to uh excite people to take over the government. There's like a bunch of like weird [ __ ] funds rebels. It it funds newspapers. And what was he talking about? Like the there was a lot of it like funding rap music. Like this is crazy. People have long said that rap music even though listen you love hip-hop. I know you just got back from Kanye West. I'm a huge hip-hop fan. >> We got to talk about that at some point. >> We definitely do. I love hip-hop. Um, but there's some people that believe that gangster rap in particular when it came about in the 1980s was a part of a the push to popularize it and produce it was a a part of the government. some faction of the government, some faction, some intelligence agencies, wanting to create more crime, wanting to fill more private prisons, wanting to erode the fabric of society so they could push for more laws to keep you safer. This is like the one of the most tinfoily of tinfoil hat conspiracies. But people are pointing out that right now it's like one of the rare times where no rap music is on the charts. >> Yeah. And they're saying, well, how does this coincide with US A? Was US A like actively promoting rap music? Was that one of the reasons why rap music was so poss? >> Is that real? That can't be real. >> Maybe back in the day. It seems like that would be more manipulative. I I don't see how. >> I believed that until I heard mumble rap and I'm like, this makes this is not real. This is trying to make people stupid. >> Yeah. There's there's something about this, you know, and obviously some artists are better at it than other. Some of them are fun the way they do it, >> but I'm saying there's a giant chunk of them that are inaudible. >> You don't know what like who's who's into this? >> Oh, almost all of them are inaudible. >> Like what what's going on there? Imagine if like that was it. It was like uh people heard Nas and like this guy's too smart. Uh we got to dumb it down a little. We got to promote some people that could barely talk. >> Yeah. We got to promote some people that are on cough syrup apparently. >> Yeah, >> that's the Have you ever done that cough cough syrup? >> No. >> They seem to love it. >> A lot of dudes who are into that that cough syrup, man. They they swear by it. >> It's crazy. It's got to be fun. It's got to be enjoyable. >> Is it codine? Is that what they're doing? >> I think so. >> Have you done it, Jamie? Bro, we talked about this before, but I remember um back in the 90s I got a hold of some Nyquil, the real Nyquil. Like I guess they changed the formula for Nyquil and uh I had you know whatever the flu or something and I took some Nyquil and I was laying in bed and I was like this is wonderful. Yeah, >> it was wonderful. like the just the warmth, the softness of the pillows and the warmth of the bed with the covers over me like, "Oh, this is wonderful." And I remember thinking, "Oo, this is dangerous." >> Like, this is a dangerous feeling. Because if your life was [ __ ] and you found that like that's better than anything else that's happening in your life. >> And you can get it at CVS. >> Crazy. Crazy. >> Who was in the old Nyquil >> before they switched it? I avoid that stuff like the plague. I'm afraid of medicine. >> So, this stuff probably was like sitting in my house if I took it. So, it might have even been older than 97 or 98 whenever this was that I was sick. But I'll never forget it cuz then I never get like getting scared like I could love this. Like I could just drink this during the day and just like sit on my back porch if I have the day off. >> Just get obliterated with Nyquil and just enjoy the universe. I told you about that time I took a half of the pain pill that the dentist gave me for my wisdom tooth. I was like, "Oh, [ __ ] This is lifechanging." >> It says, "The earliest Nyquil formula include Ephadrin, which is a decongestant, docam, doc, docyamine, sisinate, which is an antihistamine, acetaminophen, dextro methorphan, cough suppressant, and about 25% alcohol." Mhm. >> Oh, I was getting drunk, too. >> Wow. Um, what changed the mid-200s after the combat methamphetamine at There it is. They removed pseudo epidurine. So, was that the stuff? So, it wasn't coding. But is there I think there is Nyquil with coding though, right? >> What I had was pretty good. I don't think it was as simple. >> Yeah. You had the stuff they could make mess out of or whatever. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay, we'll put it in perplexity and perplexity says in the mid 20ou. Yeah, Nyquil brands sold in the US do not contain codin and there's never been a standard Vix Nyquil with codin in its active ingredient lineup. Typical Nyquil form. So codin. So does any cough syrup have codin in it? >> That's what lean is. So you're talking about >> they add it >> or is it just prescription cough syrup? >> That was the whole thing about it. Maybe I am [ __ ] up my memory and maybe it wasn't Nyquil cuz whatever it was. It seems like >> you get [ __ ] up off Nyquil but you have to drink like the whole bottle. You get Nyquil like just get [ __ ] up. >> I definitely didn't drink the whole bottle. I I know I took a dose like a strong dose. >> I mean you're just getting [ __ ] up off 25% alcohol and a little bit of a >> maybe >> a little bit of side mess. >> See the thing is it's so long ago I can't remember. I say Nyquil because it's like saying Q-tips. >> Yeah. you know, or Kleenex just because it's tissues or ear swabs. I don't know if it was Nyquil, but it was cough syrup, whatever the [ __ ] it was. And I felt wonderful. And I remember thinking like, this could be a real problem. >> Like that one day in bed, cuz I'm always scared of stuff like that. I'm always scared to get I knew too many people when I was growing up that got hooked on stuff. Yeah. >> And it just derailed their life. So lying in bed, I was like, "Oh, you're going to do this again. No more this." >> Right. >> I like it. >> Yeah. I got a knee surgery once. They gave me morphine. They made morphine in a drip. >> And they say that you can only hit that button so many times it stops giving to you. Yeah. But every time you feel pain, you can just hit the button cuz I was on like a perpetual motion machine. Yeah. >> So my legs going and I'm just bang bang bang bang. This episode is brought to you by Zip Recruiter. 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So their whole thing is like a luxurious dental experience and they will hook you up to laughing gas and they let you like if they're like they're like you want a little more and I'm like okay yeah and that's like the closest I get to it is once every 6 months or so I go there and dude I'm always excited about this [ __ ] experience. It is so awesome. >> Do you ever come up with bits after doing laughing gas to give you any ideas? No, but during the thing it makes me weirdly honest. You ever seen in Kill Bill when he shoots her in the knee with the honest gun cuz he was a chemist for like a living is like his secret job. So he comes up with this truth serum and I've noticed that it makes me like weirdly very honest. So one time when I was in the dental office, the guy's doing whatever and I'm like and I'm jacked on laughing gas cuz it's not really you're not really like cracking up. you're just like in heaven and you're like it's kind of smiling ear to ear. And I remember going like how long did you go to school for dental school? And he's like whatever the answer is like 8 years. And I'm like did you ever think about going longer and becoming a real doctor? And then I and I realized like kind of in the moment even though I was [ __ ] up like that's that sounds mean but I think they're totally used to it. I think they know that laughing gas makes people [ __ ] >> I bet they're not used to that dude. That's so mean. It's not supposed that's what I'm saying is it's like a dangerous >> a real doctor >> a dangerous truth serum. >> Some people want to be dentists. >> we need them too. >> you know >> crazy gig. >> it's a weird one. >> I know. Imagine how much bad breath they smell >> and just weird things lodged in teeth for God only knows how long. When I got my root canal, um, one of the reason why I had to get it is cuz, uh, I had a cap on my tooth or a a filler, whatever it is. What's it called? >> Fillings. >> No, the when they just fill your tooth up. Why? Why can't I remember? >> Filling. >> Fillings. Why did I say filler? Whatever. >> Yeah. Uh, it was old school one, you know? It was like white plastic. And when I was a kid, I used to have them. They were like [ __ ] lead. They used to give you lead fillings, which is crazy. Like kids had lead in their mouth. Um, and it was hurting. It was bothering me. So, what had happened was uh I had cracked the tooth and it had gotten infected underneath the uh filling. So, he takes the filling out and drills into it and the smell >> that came out of my mouth. It was so It was pus. All this pus came out and this [ __ ] horrific smell. >> I was like, "Oh my god, is that coming out of my mouth?" >> Yeah. He's like, "Oh, that's normal. It's decay. There's an infection under here. We're going to treat it. You're going to be fine." >> Yeah. Piece of elk from seven years ago. >> This is a long time ago. This is a long time ago. It was before I was hunting, I think. >> But it was uh I you know, people die from that stuff, which is really crazy. Like, if you don't take care of your teeth and you get that kind of infection, those kind of infections can become septic. >> Yeah. Well, it's nuts. Sometimes I'll do a thing where I'll water floss after I brush my teeth just to see what would have been left in there if I just did what normal humans do cuz high pressure water flossers that I [ __ ] love. Complete game changer for life. And it's insane what will jet out of there with gets stuck deep in between the teeth and everything. And you know I think you're I would for the most part I do it before I brush but every once in a while I'll be like I wonder if there's anything left in there you know. Yeah, you have to floss. You're gonna get a bunch of [ __ ] stuck in there. >> But >> and even then, sometimes I'll regular floss and then brush my teeth and just out of curiosity go, I wonder if there's anything left in there. And I'll do a one silver with a water flosser and you see like ding ding ding, three little things come out. It's like that would have marinated >> in between my teeth or in the back of my gum line or whatever. >> Yeah, that's not good. But according to my dentist, he thinks it's all sugar. He thinks if you go back and you look at like when people started developing serious cavities, it's the people have always had abscesses and broken teeth and there's always been like dental problems that haunted people because back in the day, man, they just pull the tooth out and then who knows what kind of infection you still have in there and they don't treat it. In the 1700s, if you broke your tooth and got an infection, you could be [ __ ] dead, you know? You could die from that [ __ ] But he was saying that the the amount of cavities like steeply increased when people started putting sugar and everything and then kids started drinking sugary sodas and eating sugary candy and that stuff gets stuck in your teeth. It's like I think that's the cause of it. >> Yeah. And probably high fructose corn syrup's probably just as bad or if not worse than actual sugar. >> That stuff's not good for your body. That's for sure. Your body doesn't like it. Someone explained to me what's the difference in the absorption of high fructose corn syrup versus natural cane sugar. I completely forget how they explained it, but they were they were basically saying that there's some issues with how the body breaks it down. >> Well, when you drink a soda, just think about that. Where in nature do you get 20 grams of sugar just in liquid form and you just pump it downug? Ah, refreshing. >> Crazy. My buddy that I uh went to school with just flew in from Hawaii, which is where he's lived for like 20 years. He's like he's like a wilderness guy. Climbs trees and cuts down his own pineapples and coconuts and stuff all the time. He's he's got a great life. And um he uh he checked a bag this trip just a few days ago. Um and he brought it to the mother ship because that's where we met up. And he surprised me with this checked bag that was like that had the moldings built in and everything. It had four coconuts and two white Hawaiian pineapples, I think they're called, which like run like $65 each or something in the US. Like it's impossible to get. And um according to him, I don't know. Uh he's a real hippie- dippy type. >> Is that the dude that you brought to the mother? >> Yeah, Anthony. Yeah. >> Your friend from high school, which is crazy. >> Yeah, he's the he's the man. He's just a real dude. >> That's crazy when you know people for that long. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so this dude is just living in Hawaii, living his best >> And I I mean, holy [ __ ] these [ __ ] pineapple. He's like, "Dude, you're going to love this pineapple. Pineapple. Pineapple." He just kept going on about it. I'm like, "All right, okay." Sure enough. Holy [ __ ] [ __ ] man. It's nature can deliver you a sugar dose cuz he was saying that white Hawaiian pineapples have higher sugar but much lower acidity >> than what we're used to. So it makes a whole different and since obviously it's natural sugar and this and that. It just makes a whole different type of [ __ ] fruit. It's crazy. >> Sounds good. >> Wild how we have to go other places to get unbelievable [ __ ] >> Well, of course Hawaii. >> Hawaii really should be its own country. >> I listen. I love Hawaii. I'm glad they're protected by the United States. People are cool as [ __ ] It should be its own country. It's 5 hours by plane. >> I mean, come on, man. Yeah, >> white pineapples primarily known as sugarloaf or white jade pineapples. >> Highly prized rare variety grown in Hawaii. Unlike standard yellow, they feature creamy white flesh, particularly uh practically no acidity and a complex completely edible core. >> It was great. >> And [ __ ] he climbs a goddamn tree >> like a little [ __ ] monkey boy. Normal little white dude. >> How did he wind up in Hawaii? Uh, he's a real free spirit. He always was. I think he just went out there, visited, and stayed. He's the kind of guy that just gets a one-way ticket places, and figures it out as he goes. He's in Youngstown right now. That shows you how adventurous and crazy he is. He's like, I'm going to spend a week and a half there. I'm like, a week and a half in Youngstown. >> Why is he doing that? >> Visit family and friends? He said, >> is there a good hotel to stay at in Youngstown? >> No. And I even had to look this up recently because I'm like, I'm not staying at the crazy hotel that I stayed at last time I was there. So I'm like, best hotel in Youngsttown. And the funniest thing is the actual closest option was in Pennsylvania, like 50 minutes away. Truly, I mean, there's one like Double Tree downtown, but it's in an area of absolute chaos. I mean, just death wish. >> Do you ever go back there and go, I can't believe I grew up here? >> Always. 100% of the time. I got a feeling for it immediately when I went to LA and I didn't hear police sirens anymore, like as often at least. You know what I mean? >> Isn't that funny? Like LA with LA's crime. >> That's what I always thought. I'm like, "Oh, this is going to be crazy. I've heard these Tupac songs. Like, this is going to be nuts." And it was >> That was US A. >> So peaceful. Yeah, exactly. So peaceful. In Youngstown, at least when I was growing up there, you could hear a police siren or an ambulance siren almost at any point of the day. >> God, >> my buddy sent me a shirt recently, too. Another one buddy um that has the stats on it of us being the murder capital. I think it was 90, 91, and 96 per capita. Not the biggest population, but per capita, it was the most dangerous place you could be. when I was in those most developmental years when a kid shouldn't be having his head next to the window. Yeah, there it is. I got that shirt. >> Fourtime defending champion, murder capital of America. >> Yep. In 01 02. That puts me as a sophomore and junior in high school. >> 9597. I'm 112. >> And you're being raised by your mom. >> Yeah. on the north on the craziest [ __ ] area of the whole goddamn thing. The most dilapidated part of the north side of Youngtown. >> Yeah. I can't believe it. That's why like every part of my [ __ ] story I'm like, "This is so goddamn weird." So weird. >> It is when you think about it, right? When you really stop and think about it, it doesn't seem real. 60 years ago, this Ohio city was named Crime Town, USA. >> Yep. Crime Town >> 75 bombings. >> Yep. >> Oh, this was the mob days. >> So, it used to be a mob run town, right? >> Totally. >> They were called bomb town. >> Yeah. It was a Youngstown tuneup is a car bomb. >> Look at this. 75 bombings, 11 killings in a decade, and no one seems to care. >> They were so nuts in Youngstown that somebody tried to kill the actual prosecutor, the actual DA. Oh, isn't that normal that they always try to do that? >> Well, it's kind of the stupidest, craziest thing you could do because then the entire FBI comes down on you. It's a little shortsighted to go, "Ah, we're going to kill the main cop of this city and not think that anything's going to happen from that. Well, we beat the game. We beat the main cop." >> Imagine trying to be an intelligent businessman and also a mob leader. Imagine like planning things out in advance and but also you're a mob leader. >> There was a lot of that going on and I got to see quite a bit of it. Like there were uh let's put it this way mall developers in Youngstown and things like that. And I got to see firsthand very young that they were communicating with politicians at lunchtime and stuff because I was working at this little Italian restaurant at the time right out of high school. and um and having they were having these quiet meetups in a quiet in the corner of a quiet Italian restaurant and you would see these huge moguls, you know, I won't name any names, but big business people in Youngstown meeting with the local this and that and congressmen. I got to meet that congressman and that congressman because they're there meeting with these super duper rich people. And I'm like, I wonder what the correlation is there, >> bro. Back then when there was no cell phones >> Yeah. And you know, they had to bug people. They have to They had to literally bug businesses to get information. >> Like they were all doing something. >> Oh yeah. >> You couldn't be involved in any big time business if you weren't down with the Teamsters. If you weren't down with the Long Shoreman, >> you had to you had to We got TO WORK THIS OUT, BOBBY. We're businessmen. >> That's That's how you did the business. >> Give a little money to their campaign. Not a little, but a bit. And then you can get your stuff passed and make life easier down the road. >> Dude, I had friends that had no show jobs. >> I had a friend of mine that had a no-show job in New York at the Javit Center. >> You know, the Javit Center is like a big convention center. >> He had a union no-show job. >> So, he was a mob guy. >> And they they just gave him money. >> I only get a free check on the Sopranos. They had those no-show construction jobs. They're sitting there with their portable fans. Yeah. No, that's real, dude. That is a real thing. >> There's They get a certain amount of jobs. Like they would make agreements. Like the union would make an agreement. We get a certain amount of these jobs. There's like, you know, >> it's crazy. >> There's really a hundred jobs, but we want 130. Uh, Youngstown was uh a haven for organized crime related corruption was ingrained into the fabric of its society. A 2000 publication, New Republic, listed a chief of police, the outgoing prosecutor, the sheriff, the county engineer, members of the local police force, a city law director, several defense attorneys, politicians, judges, and a former assistant US attorney as controlled by the mob. >> So if they have that, if they found that for sure, imagine how many others there are, >> right? That's everybody. That's everybody. the prosecutor, the sheriff, the county engineer, the police force, city law director, defense attorney. Imagine not being down with the mob. Like, do you want to stay alive? Like, do you want to work in this business? >> Right. And this is a city. I think we looked it up the other day, actually. I think it only has 25,000 white people. >> So, knowing that black people tend to not be in the Italian mob, just going off of 25,000, and that's current. I don't know what it was back in the day, but the point is is like it's not a big city. It's not I think 50 60,000 half or less white. So >> there's Tony. >> there's little Tony watching pro wrestling. >> Oh yeah, pro wrestling. And even then I was obsessed with Good Fellas and a Bronx Tale and a Godfather because it's like it's just what you're taught is humanity. Like that's life. So getting out of that and going to LA and thinking it was going to be all it's going to be crazy gangs and stuff and it's just quiet. Granted, I started in Burbank, which is a [ __ ] television studio essentially. But when I moved to New Jersey and I didn't have any money when I first moved to New York, I I couldn't afford to live in New in New York City or I didn't even have an apartment. I stayed with my grandparents cuz my grandfather lived in New Jersey in New York. And um he bought a house there in I think it was like the 1940s and they did a thing called blockbusting. Do you know what blockbusting is? They would go to door to door and they would say black people are moving into the neighborhood. You got to sell now. And everybody sold. It used to be an entirely Italian neighborhood. >> Uh and he was like I like black people. Get the [ __ ] out of here. And he kept his house but it was like one of very few families that stayed. And then black people moved out. And then they started getting like different people, Spanish- speakaking people, like Dominicans and a bunch of other. And that's how it was when I stayed with them. So this is like nu 91. Yeah, I was three years in the comedy, so it's probably 91. And uh while I was living with them, the next door neighbor's house got broken into by the cops. The DEA smashed down his door. The dude had an Audi parked in a driveway. He was selling crack like right next door to my grandpa. >> Wow. The whole neighborhood was just nuts, dude. Like he would get really nervous when I would leave. Like I would leave to go play pool somewhere and he like be careful. Like it was [ __ ] sketchy. >> But it didn't used to be like when he first moved there. It was just an all Italian neighborhood. >> Real estate people even back like what a dirty thing to do. >> Scare people into moving. That's probably the first project of US Aid. That's probably They probably got real estate people to destroy neighborhoods. >> There's something to it. I don't know the correlation of Italian neighborhoods being taken over, not taken over, but whatever by black people like the mobrun cities like Youngstown, like Chicago, like Detroit. Um, it's an interesting anomaly. I wonder if there's any correlation between the things. Well, you know, most of the Italians that came in the early 20th century were very poor. You know, they were all coming over here for labor or jobs and things along those lines. And um you know, when they started doing better, they you know, they started moving out and moving into the suburbs and moving into you know, more gentrified areas. It's always what are the new immigrants that are going to come and take over this area that was like formerly a lowincome Italian neighborhood or a lowincome Irish neighborhood. It's the same thing. Like there's cycles, you know. >> It's like there's cycles in fighting too. Like in the early 20th century, there's a lot of Jewish fighters like Slappy Maxi Rosen Bloom. You never heard of him, right? Some very good Jewish fighters. um because they were poor and there were the the new immigrants, you know, and this is like before World War II. And then in and even afterwards there was some but then you get Italians, you get a lot of Italians, get Rocky Marciano, Rocky Gratziano, there's a lot of like uh Jake Lamada, there's a lot of these like Italian bad [ __ ] because they were poor. >> Yeah. And then what happened? Then you got a lot of Puerto Ricans, a lot of, you know, it's always like who's the new immigrants, >> And who are the most hungry, come from the most povertyridden areas. Like Roberto Duran came from a terrible part of Panama. Like not terrible, but I mean like very poor, very violent. >> And he was one of the baddest [ __ ] >> Boom. Manini was right down the street. >> Yep. Yeah. I mean, Youngstown's known for boxing. >> Yeah. Kelly Pav. Kelly Pavick, who's been on the podcast. He's awesome. >> he was a beast, dude. >> Oh, man. >> That fight with him and Germaine Taylor won. Sometimes I still rewatch the end of that to >> How did he survive? >> Give me a burst of energy. >> I mean, how did he make it through that? That was a crazy I mean, he got dropped. He looked like it looks like the fight was over. And then when he's got him in the corner and he rocks him >> and you you go, "No way. He's coming back. This is crazy." Easy. >> This Did you watch uh the fights this weekend? Geron Boot Boots Enis and I forget the the dude he was fighting. >> No, I was at that concert. I missed it. >> Boots is very good. And for the most part, he beat his ass. But the third round he got rocked. The third round was incredible cuz he the kid he was fighting, who's the gentleman that he was fighting, Jamie? >> Zas. >> Zas. Yeah. Young kid. He uh got dropped in the second round like pretty bad. Boots is very good. He's like one of the best boxers alive. And then the third round, the kid came back and rocked Boots and it was just a war. Just the third round was incredible. Boots wound up stopping him. I think he stopped him in like the seventh or the eighth round. Uh he just dropped him one last time and the the re the corner called it. It was enough. Like he was getting his ass kicked, but he was very very valiant, you know. It was a really good fight. Like Boots is better than him. Like clearly he's like he's on another level, but this kid showed just tremendous heart. But it's like that third round was just coming back from getting dropped in the second. Like those kind of moments where a guy's getting [ __ ] up like like the Gachi Tapora fight. >> Perfect example. >> That's when it's really a fight. >> A a real fight cuz Toporia was on him in that second round, >> man. We were so close. They were in They were You could hear it. >> They Oh, you could really You could feel it where I was, man. And you know, obviously we're always close to the cage on those things, but then when gate when Turia was landing those body shots, it was right against our side of the fence, and I'm literally like, "Oh my." I mean, holy [ __ ] [ __ ] man. And I've seen a lot of people get ripped to the body before, but there is something about his close range strength in near that clinch, that close up [ __ ] range of Elia that is scary. >> He's so good, dude. He's so good and he's so precise. He just tried to like ch I always repeat this because Chail Son said it was perfect. If you try to win by knockout and fail, you won't win a decision. >> Yeah. And sometimes you just run out of gas because like you're not supposed to fight like that if you think that the fight's going to go five rounds. Like Ilia had him hurt and he's like, I can take him out. But Justin's so durable, man. He's so durable. And that left hook to the body, the sound of it, man, is just whip. It's so perfect. He throws perfect punches. His punches are just I mean even Justin said it in the postfight interview like when he's fresh his skills are unmatched. Like that's a crazy thing to say to a guy you just beat up and made stop. He stopped him in the fourth round. >> that's crazy to say like his skills are unmatched. But they really are. >> Every point of that I'm at every point of that anybody I think that knows anything about those two fighters is going until this is stopped. Anybody can win this. Like even when his face was blown up and his eyes looked black and closed. >> Until that air horn rings, I'm like anything. One punch. And we've seen it even with Gachi. You saw it with Holloway, right? Was it him? Who did he square up with in the middle? >> Holloway. Yeah. >> Yes. Hit him with that final punch. >> One chin. One with one second left. It can all be over. >> Yeah. That was a little different in that Holloway caught him with a jump spinning back kick to the face in the very last seconds of the first round and broke the bone of his nose. >> Um, we talked about it on the podcast and I was like that changed that fight because before that Gatei was pressing him and it looked very competitive and it looked like maybe Gachi had a slight advantage but that's cuz Max Max's very clever, very clever fighter. like he's always switching stances and moving and you know really hadn't showed that spinning back kick a lot that hadn't been a feature in a lot of his fights. He did it a few times but to for to for him to land it that way backing up jump to the face I mean it was perfect. >> it was perfect. And his nose was [ __ ] And if you're fighting with a broken like a broken bone on your face every time you're getting hit you're getting just blasted. >> You're the pain is insane. And then, you know, he had, you know, he was a step behind Max. Max is teeing off on him. He landed some good shots, though, even though it was a good fight. I mean, Max was definitely ahead in the fifth round, but it was a good fight. And then, you know, during that wild exchange, he should have never done that. >> he was already fading, whereas Max was still very fresh. >> [ __ ] crazy fight, man. >> that was a crazy fight. I think Topiria's nose was broken in round two. I think it was pretty early on and uh >> hard to say. >> You know, but uh Justin did clip him with a bunch of those uppercuts. So Justin does this thing where he like collar ties you and then throws an uppercut in tight. And he's really good at it. He's really good at like turning you a little and then throwing an uppercut. In these exchanges, he collar ties and uppercuts. He caught him a few times and you just get one of those on the [ __ ] nose on the old schnozle. This thing's so brittle. >> It's such a If you feel your nose, just feel it. >> Have you ever seen Morab's nose? >> The X-ray of Morab's nose. You never seen it. >> I sent it to you, right, Jamie? >> Jamie, you'll find it. >> It's crazy. Look what it looks like. >> Oh my god. >> Look at that. >> Oh [ __ ] >> bro. Jeez. >> That thing is destroyed. I mean, it's destroyed. He's getting zero air out of that. He's got the best cardio on planet Earth, and he's getting zero air out of his nose. >> But he won't get it fixed cuz if he gets it fixed, he he can't fight for like a year and he just wants to keep on trucking. >> that dude's a freak. >> If I was his friend, I would say, "Dude, you got a lot of money. You're a world champion. Fix the nose. Let's fix it. Let's take a year off. Come back and [ __ ] these [ __ ] up." Cuz if that guy's got a fixed nose, he's got 10% more cardio. Are you crazy? That guy with 10% more cardio. That's an extra weapon. >> I would get it fixed. But the problem is if he gets it fixed and then like he fights a guy like Hollow and he gets jumping spinning back kicked to the nose in the first round and it's shattered as again, then he's kind of [ __ ] Because if they have to fix it again, then they might have to start taking pieces of your rib out and reconstructing your nose and grafting bone and doing weird [ __ ] And then sometimes that [ __ ] doesn't take and sometimes it gets infected and then you have a bone infection on your face and what do they do then? Then they have to remove your nose. Is that what they have to do? >> [ __ ] >> God. >> Scary [ __ ] man. >> Very much so. >> These [ __ ] dudes, man. That is a crazy job to risk your life, risk your health, risk your bones. You You're making a living by trying to damage another person who's trying to damage you. Nuts. But it's also why it's the most exciting [ __ ] in the world to watch. >> So exciting. >> Even boxing as, you know, tamed in comparison to MMA because there's less weapons and less options and a lot more padding. >> Yeah. You don't get the chokeouts, the crazy chokeouts. There was a crazy choke out this weekend. Um, his name is Ruseov and he fought uh God, how do I say his last name? He fought this Russian cat and got him Russian or Ukrainian, I forget. Um, but he got him in a rear naked choke and and put him to sleep. And it was one of those ones where the guy looks dead. He's like lying there. I mean, it was a [ __ ] nasty choke, man. And yeah, like and it's Look at him. >> Oh yeah, I saw that. >> It was dark, dude. >> It's another meme out this week along with the W girl pointing. >> What's his name, >> bro? It was nuts. >> The memes on these things are nuts nowadays. Oh, the internet is undefeated. >> Oh, it's crazy. >> They're so good at memes. Oh my god. >> There's so many people out there working jobs that they hate >> that are smart and funny. >> Yep. We were talking about it the other day, but you you've have you caught up with any of those WNBA what's her name? The girl that's pointing at >> Sophie Cunningham. >> Yeah. I've been um paying Can you put that thing in the middle? Put the ashtray in the middle. Um, I've been paying attention very little, but one of the things that I did watch is all the fowls. Like these [ __ ] throw each other to the ground. They and they poke each other in the eyes. >> Like they do this. They literally jab each other in the eyes. It's crazy. Like they they foul and also they travel so much. >> They take like four or five steps and then no one calls them on it. >> Oh, yeah. double dribble everything. >> Is there a trend now to not call traveling? >> Yes, without a doubt. In the actual NBA, it's a thing too. >> There's it's hard to get into this without going way into like the weeds, but the NBA has a technically different rule than college and like high school and everyone else where there's they call it a gather step and they definitely would call it in high school, >> but they work all day manipulating it with the referee watching them saying like you can do that but you can't do that. you can do this, but you can't do that. And so, like, they've got it to a place where everything they're doing looks like traveling and dribble double dribbles, but guys will break it down in slow-mo and you'll be like, "Well, technically it's not." >> Cuz weird. I always thought if you took a step, you had to bounce the ball. >> that's how it should be. >> You're allowed to. >> Doesn't it seem like that should be how it is? When you see guys taking four steps, you're like, what's going on? >> But do you want to see exciting basketball or not? >> Yeah, I do. >> All right. Well, then just let the referees call the game how they call it. >> But I think there's something exciting about you having to bounce that ball because you won't be able to score as much, right? >> Correct. >> Like if you have to bounce it every two steps, whatever it is. >> I wish I loved the NBA like I did when I was a kid and [ __ ] Barkley and Jordan and Ewing and all these people were physical. It is just a whole different game now. >> So back then was it traveling like when the Larry Bird days? >> Hell yeah. Unless Jordan talked to the ref and said, "Yo, you're wrong. Let me do what I want." And then >> Well, Jordan had the cheat code where he would leap from the [ __ ] free throw line. That is so when I've watched videos of that, it doesn't even look real. >> He was such an amazing athlete. >> He was so good and so possessed by his desire to win. He would do things that you would just go, "How does a person fly?" >> dude. Imagine if he was like a like one of those jumpers, those long distance jumpers. He'd probably have an insane jump. >> because he he's going from the free throw line in the air. >> That's crazy. >> Everything he did was crazy. The way he did things, the way he practiced, everything. >> Yeah. And did he not make his college team? >> No. That's >> high school team. >> Wasn't there like one year >> when he was a freshman? He didn't make the varsity team. >> That's what I'm saying. >> Yeah. That's most freshman don't. Perfect. May have changed basketball history forever. >> Most freshmen don't. That doesn't make sense because they're not even developed yet. >> Yeah, that's plan. >> I know kids in Texas, they keep their kids back a year. >> They want their kid to be bigger. >> I want Billy to be the biggest freshman. I want him to be a 15year-old freshman. We're pushing for right before his 15th birthday. Like, hey, 15's a sophomore. Billy's a [ __ ] cheater. Why you sandbagging Billy? >> Yeah. that it doesn't bother me nearly as much in a sport like football where I see what you're doing like you're preparing a kid for a professional future perhaps. Especially in Texas, they're very into it down here. But if it's a wrestling, it's like, hey, >> yeah, >> hey, there's [ __ ] no money in this and that kid's 16 and he's in the ninth grade. >> Yeah, it's nuts. >> How is the How old is the oldest that a kid can be and compete in high school sports? Jamie, >> please put that into our sponsor Perplexity. Let's find out. I wonder if it varies by sport. >> Definitely by sport and by state. >> Interesting. Do they all have a cap at 18 or do they allow you to compete at 19? Yeah, there's going to be a But before I even hit enter, I know it's going to say something about like your graduating class can't be out maybe more than like two years or something like that in case you got held back or you had an injury or something like that. >> Boy, I remember from my days of being like 17 and 18, the difference between 17 and 19 was huge. >> It's a big difference. >> [ __ ] yeah. >> By the time you're 19, you're basically man strength. You 17 I was like a boy still. >> Yeah. you know, like I was flimsy. 17 was like a flimsy kid. By the time I was 19, it was it's a different animal. You You've got two more years of training and testosterone in you. >> If you're a wrestler, that's got to be a huge advantage. >> Every advant everything in wrestling is a huge advantage. Starting one year earlier is crazy. >> Huge. Huge advantage. >> 19 based off of certain >> Oh, bro, that's so rude. making 19year-olds wrestle against like possibly 15 year olds is crazy, right? So, if you are like in a certain weight class that's not strong, like I wasn't a good wrestler. I was a pretty good wrestler, but I started I was on the varsity team at my high school and uh like one year I didn't even cut weight or one one weight class I didn't cut I was I there was a guy that was below me at like 126 or 128 and he was better than me and so the next available weight class was 134 which is I that's what I normally weighed when I was 15 so I just wrestled at 134. >> That's lovely. Well, I could have been in there with a 19-year-old [ __ ] animal who weighs a buck 60 and dries himself out briefly to hit 134. And there was guys like that, man. You would see them at like the states and you go, "What the fuck?" >> And they were going to camps, so they were wrestling 365 days a year, all year long. >> I just started. I didn't know anything. >> Same. I started as a freshman in high school and got [ __ ] up. >> I didn't even start as a freshman. I started as a sophomore. I started as a sophomore because some kid kicked my ass in the locker room. Some some kid grabbed me in a headlock and threw me to the ground and didn't punch me. He could have punched me. Decided not to. But I was so humiliated. I was like, "Oh my god, I need to learn how to wrestle." >> Then I also wrestled in the park like in the grass with my friend Stephen and I thought I'd be able I was a good athlete. I was doing karate. I was like, "He can't take me down." He took me down instantly. I was like, "Oh no, this is terrible." >> Yeah. It's a whole different beast. It's also like how tired you get. I remember thinking I used to think that I had worked out before that because I'd, you know, taken karate classes and done some taekwondo. I thought I'd worked out. >> You don't even know what working out is until you go through a wrestling practice. You're like, >> "We're running stairs. What? What? We're carrying guys around the wrestling room. You pick up your partner, your training partner, you have the firemen carry them around the [ __ ] room." >> Oh, Jesus Christ. Then you're doing push-ups and sit-ups to puke. And then you're doing live drills. [ __ ] >> Non-stop, >> dude. Animals. >> Yeah, we would rotate uh you know, there's all those different weight classes and just for shits and giggles, you know, one of the drills was, you know, escape from the next guy. All right. Beep. Whistleblows escape. You're on bottom. You have to get out the next guy. So sometimes I at a 103 weight class I would have Hugh Frost who was I think 235 245 250. >> Oh yeah. Just for one drill and it's a [ __ ] joke. It's a pancake and he would probably he was probably showing mercy at the time obviously but not really cuz he doesn't want to he doesn't want to let this little [ __ ] [ __ ] 103 out from under him. So he's you know putting enough pressure to keep everybody there. Not to mention the 165 freak of nature made of muscle and the 185, you know, it was just a drill. But that reality hits hard. That's how you see the difference between 15 and 17 and all that. >> And someone who actually really knows how to wrestle and just wrestler strength. Like I always tell people, if you want to look at MMA, like what is the most important skill? The the the foundation is wrestling. The foundation. If you wanted your kid to be a badass fighter, you're like, "My kid really loves fighting. He thinks he wants to do it, but I want to prepare him right, which I do." Teach him how to wrestle, get that kid into a really good wrestling program. Because if you have advanced wrestling, you look at how it shuts down so many fighters. Like look at what Hamzot did to Dreus Dupacy. Hamza, he just raged all them. His wrestling is at such a high level. And Dus, who was a world champion, couldn't do [ __ ] to stop it. He just dragged him to the ground anytime he wanted to. Got him in a crucifix like three times. >> Morab against Ali. I mean, >> exactly. Exactly. >> You were watching a guy that does a no look right hand knockout punch into a salute. No look at his opponent, >> right? Get I mean, it's just impossible. It It appears impossible in every Kabib fight. The thing I always think about first when I think about Kabib fighting is him being on top and having his feet under the other dude's feet, which is just that's it. It's the final level when you can't even begin the process of posturing out in any way. You are nothing. You are a tissue in an octagon with a man >> and he's wailing on your face. >> He's wailing on your face and he has your legs triangled underneath his legs. It's always funny when UFC or when casual UFC fans uh don't understand those little things like that that aren't even part of the fight. They're looking up here waiting to see if the punches are going to rain down. >> But the positioning of his feet is what I'm always looking at and how scary it can be here. >> He's not even doing it right. >> He's hell on top of people. He is right here. >> But that leg being thrown is torture. It's all the weight is >> nothing you can do. There's just nowhere to go. And all that weight on those hips, people don't realize, >> like I notice immediately if I ever see somebody that's kind of on top and their knees are on the ground. Like if you look, his right knee isn't on the ground. It looks like it might be. >> And look how he keeps slamming those left hands into Johnson's head. I mean, he got hit with like 15, 20 unanswered full force left hand blows. >> Just holding his arms so he can't move, >> bro. He's horrible. He was horrible. He was so good. Khabib was so good. And he would do this to world class fighters, man. And by the way, Johnson clipped him in that fight, too. It was one of the few times in his career where he got clipped. >> One that looked really frustrated. Who's the Who's the one that looked super frustrated in that? >> Barbosa. >> I'm asking. I don't remember who it was. >> Barbosa was one of them. But I mean, a lot of guys who fought Kabib look frustrated because there's not a damn thing they could do. Nope. >> Barbosa was like early in the first round, he had that thousandy yard stare was like, "Fuck, like I have to go through three rounds of this where they just give up on the idea that they can even win." >> Like all you're doing is trying to survive. >> He was a monster, dude. >> Like that. His leg being trapped is nuts. And look how he's scooting with it >> and he's just slamming punches. And you get up, he's just chasing you. >> I got the gun right back down. I thought, >> but if you get up, he's just gonna [ __ ] chase you and drag you to the ground again. So, you blew all that energy to get up. The moment you try to punch or throw a kick, he's on you. You're on your back again. Punch to the face. Punch to the face. Yeah. Wrestling's giant. It is the the biggest skill. >> You have to know how to do everything else, too, nowadays, cuz all these kids that like you see in the Contender Series, these young guys coming up, man, they're all so [ __ ] talented. He tried to wheel kick them. And really more than anything, I feel like wrestling, being out wrestled and being just trapped on the ground is so psychologically demoralizing when you've been training for a UFC fight and the crowd is out there and the lights are on you and you see the logos on the mat cuz you're facing it. >> Back that up a little bit. Let me show you something here too. What's What's interesting here before that before the clinch. So after he throws the wheel kick like Barbos is trying to win, right? This is the third round. He's trying to win and he throws this W. But look, no, go before that. When he throws the kick, here it is. So, he throws the kick and misses. He's so tired now that when Khabib moves for him, he clinches. Look, he instigated the clinch. Instead of pushing away, instead of circling to his left, he clinched cuz he's so tired, dude. He's so tired. And this dude just Look at that face. >> He just drags him down to the ground again. >> Twoon one on that arm underneath him, >> weights being thrown in. He doesn't know what to do with his legs. He actually just put his foot above Kabib because it's so confusing. All that weight on you. You don't know where to even begin to start getting up. >> Well, he's the first thing he's got to do is get that left leg free. And he's not going to. >> That was the part before the crawling thing. >> He's a He was a monster. He was a monster >> and retired undefeated. >> Yeah. And there's something to being on that mat, not being able to move, knowing that the clock is ticking, and this is not how you picture this going. >> Not only that, this is with the current rules where I think there should be no stand-ups. I think the only time there should be a stand up is when there's a foul. >> Yeah, I completely agree with you. I hate it when they stand people up. >> Even if it's boring. I get it's boring, but the guy can't get up and this guy's holding him down. So, he's winning. Yes, he's winning. See, I know he's not doing enough. What does that mean? He's biting his time. You've got to let a guy have strategy. Like when Muhammad Ali did rope a dope against George Foreman, imagine if the referee's like, "You've got to punch back if you don't punch back." No, he's he's got a strategy. Strategy is let George Foreman burn himself out and then eventually tee off on him. And that's what he did. >> Yeah. It stinks that referees can let the crowd get in their head. >> Well, it's the the organization wants action, too. The fans want action. A lot of people disagree with me and I understand their point. I understand their point. Especially if you're a casual like it's gay. Get them up. Make them fight. They don't want to fight. They want to hug. Boo. Right. >> So what? So what? This is the sport. And if that guy who's on top, who's biting his time and recovering, then decides, okay, now's the time. Let me start dropping some bombs because I've recovered. >> Good. Well, he held the position and he recovered his energy and now he's winning. Like, let him [ __ ] fight. LET HIM FIGHT. GET OUT OF THERE. GET OUT of there. >> There shouldn't be stand-ups. >> And I get it. The referee gets that cheer from the crowd. You know, it feels rewarding. >> Sometimes when they stand fights up, I get excited. >> I go, "Yeah, yeah, >> here we go. >> That striker has a chance." >> But my position is still the same. I don't think they should stand him up. I'm worse than that. I think they should start each round where they lost the last round. >> Oh, I love that. >> That's great. >> So, every round, why do you get to stand up? Why do you get that advantage that a striker gets of standing up when you didn't earn it? >> Get back down there. >> get back down there. Crucifix. Why' you have to start the round off in a crucifix? >> Yeah, that's how the end round ended. They look at the big screen, get a freeze frame of the position, referee sets you in the exact position and says, "Ready, fight." >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I love that. >> Yeah. [ __ ] off. That's what the sport is supposed to be. And sometimes it's going to be boring. Yeah. But that's real though. At least it's real cuz there's been a lot of fights where the guy got taken down in the first round, starts out the second round, and blasts the guy and knocks him out. And it's like, okay, it's exciting to watch, but he didn't earn that position. He just got that position because the other guy survived the first round. And so it's like, it's one fight. It's not five fights, >> right? So, I think it should be one continuous fight with a one minute break in each round. >> Yeah. That'd be like if the team losing automatically got the kickoff after halftime or something like that. >> Yeah. And look, guaranteed if uh I was running the UFC, it would probably go bankrupt. I'm not the right guy. I don't know what the [ __ ] I'm talking about. I'd be a terrible promoter. I'd be too honest about stuff. And I'd want to give people fights that maybe they weren't the most exciting fighters, but they were above the other person in the rankings. >> I I think the rankings should be the whole reason why you make fights. >> Sami Zayn won the Universal WWE Championship over this weekend at a big pay-per-view. >> I have no idea who that is, but I'm happy for him. >> Shocked Cody Rhodess, >> who was it who was like a guaranteed win. >> I wonder what happened. >> Rolled him up real quick. >> Do you think maybe that was fixed? Well, it was very entertaining. Very entertaining. >> I'm sure it was. I just don't understand how you go back and forth. >> Oh, it's the best. >> I know you love it. >> Well, sometimes that's what I said about this White House card, by the way, is like there's nothing that could have happened that they could have written, if it was written, that would have made it more exciting, >> It felt real the whole time. and the fights that happened before made it feel like anything could happen in that main event. Like it just felt raw and real, but also storyline, which then when UFC is at its best like that, it's like the WWE. >> That's what's interesting. Of course, it's not as, you know, uh acrobatic. Exactly. But it is it was a special moment. You know, it was a regardless of how you feel politically and I understand it >> if you're if you hate the Republicans and you hate the whole idea, I get it. But just as a person who loves a sport, it was a very unusual experience. Very unusual. And just I think people have to just look at some things that way. You know, some people have a really hard time separating themselves politically because they're going, "Oh, no." That the White House puts on this thing. There's all this bad press because of the war. There's bad press because of this and that. And they put on this thing at the White House and it sort of >> MAGA washes everything. You know what I mean? Makes everybody like them again. Gives them positive press which undeniable. Undeniable. It gave them positive press. >> I mean, the amount of people that have seen it is nuts. You know, I think just on Paramount, it's something like 30 something million now. And you know they were telling me that they thought it was probably 150 million people had watched it in some form >> which was uh you know Tik Tok clips, Instagram, YouTube. But that is a nutty number man. And I think Dana and Hunter they were thinking it could get to like a billion people see it >> which is just nuts. >> In some form you know highlight reels clips. I mean just the Gachi fight alone just the highlight reels. How many people watch those on Instagram and Tik Tok and >> totally >> the awareness of the event of the moment was so huge. It was like nothing else. Like it didn't feel like any other event we had ever like I was nervous before it started. >> Like I never get nervous for the UFC. I get excited but I was like legitimately nervous. I was like I was feeling like a little like this is crazy. Like we're on the White House lawn. >> No. The fly over is when it really hit. >> Yeah. Well, when they had all those jets together and they're so close to each other, like imagine if one of those [ __ ] clips into their wing and spirals right into the ellipse. >> Yeah. Crazy. What a spectacle. >> Yeah. They would have definitely canceled the fights cuz think they they canled the White House correspondents dinner because of that assassination attack. >> God damn it. >> Oh, you had a bunch of bangers on that, I heard. >> Yeah. So annoying. I was more excited for that than like anything. >> How do they just cancel it? Why didn't they reschedu it? Maybe they're going to wait until the ballroom's finished. Cuz that's the argument for the ballroom that they could have it at a place like that where it's completely secured. >> Kurt Mascer thinks the whole thing is fake. >> Uh >> oh. Another f another fake assassination attempt. >> How'd that guy get in there? >> How that Well, I think some people are just incompetent. >> There's incompetence. There's bad security. There's uh people that don't do their job. And there's also people that you didn't expect to be a problem and were a problem and you're in a hotel. >> Also, the guy made it to the first level of the first scanning of security. It's not like he made it into the thing, >> but he did shoot somebody, right? >> I >> I think he shot one of the Secret Service agents in his bulletproof vest. >> Is that true, Jamie? >> See, there were so many stories online, it's so hard to know what was true and what was not. But I think the guy was a teacher, like a substitute teacher. >> Nuts. It's all nuts. >> It's like, man, you didn't think this out? >> Scheduled it for July 24th. >> Okay. Okay. >> The correspondence dinner. >> Wow. I did not know that, >> son. You might want to polish up some of them bits. >> Yeah, it's going to be some new stuff. >> Go back and tag some of them with some current events. Where are they going to have it? >> Uh, sorry, I sorted it. If they have it at the same spot, that's not smart. >> New event held July 24th. >> It's not saying where >> is at the Pentagon. >> They might wait. They might wait to release that. >> Yeah, it's not saying. Oh, uh, Waldolf, excuse me, Waldorf Atoria. >> Oh, okay. Well, I guarantee you they'll tighten that [ __ ] up a little bit. >> Oh, yeah. I know he was excited to do the jokes. >> No, he was he was very pumped. >> Yeah, they were bangers. I ran them um because the thing happened. I happened to be performing at the Kennedy Center the ne that weekend, the next weekend. So, I ran the jokes and I realized that I had Adam Ray as a special guest that was on before me. He brought me on stage. So, I go, you know what? Even I wrote jokes for the president of the United States to make fun of the press and everybody at the White House correspondents dinner, but I just realized Adam's here. Adam, you want to come out and read these in Trump's voice? >> And so he was seeing the jokes for the first time and reading them and we had so much fun. >> I didn't know he does a Trump, which doesn't surprise me. I mean, his impressions are insane. >> He can do anything, dude. >> Yeah, he can do anybody. He didn't even he didn't he was dabbling in a Biden the week that I hit him up to do Trump Biden which I think is a [ __ ] god I think it's like 40 million or seven some crazy amount and again just like the UFC God only knows after clips but it was a monumental comedy [ __ ] moment having Shane as Trumpction Adam is Biden right before the election right after their first debate where Biden was clearly [ __ ] zonked and sleepy and and just couldn't compete at all. And so I hit up Adam via text. I'm like, "Do you have a Biden?" He's like, "I cover it for five seconds in a in my standup. I'm like, uh, are you free on Monday to fly to Austin and do Biden if I can get Shane as Trump?" And I remember telling Shane, like I'm like, "This is going to be an interesting ask." Uh, but I, you know, I'm just like, "Hey, Adam's got a Biden." And Shane's like, "I have something to do on Monday. I'm cancelling it. I'm doing Trump." He immediately saw The Brilliance. It was just such a hot topic at the time. And my god, it was [ __ ] crazy. There's clips that I see of that episode and I never rewatch Kill Tony's or anything. I'll see clips sometimes and I literally go, "Oh my god, holy [ __ ] shit." There's one part where Trump goes, "How many more retards are you going to bring out here?" because there had been like two handicapped people on the show. All right, how many more retards you have come? As I'm pulling a name out of the bucket in real time, I go, "Anything can happen, Mr. President. Let's see if what the next guy's like." And he comes out and he has like these weird deformed penguin arms. >> Oh god. >> And you see Shane as Trump and the crowd's dying because they see him first and you see Shane as Trump look and go, "Fuck." It's just one of his his rea facial reactions to things are like his greatest secret [ __ ] hilarious weapon. And when he's Trump, it's even amplified. It's like in my opinion 10 or 20% funnier than even Shane is. I mean, I'm sure he'd admit to this and know it cuz Trump is just such an interesting, polarizing character. And his take on him is so [ __ ] funny. It's psychotic. >> His impression so good. It's the greatest Trump impression of all time cuz it's like the jokes are so good. >> Oh, by far. He's so What's What's funny? >> Found the part. >> So epic. >> Back it up a little bit. >> Another fun appearance by True Nickens. >> This is the best. >> All right, >> Tony. How many more [ __ ] guys do you have back here? >> Anything can happen. >> This crowd is hungry for more [ __ ] guys. Frankly, I don't think we've seen enough [ __ ] guys. How about a [ __ ] racist? Would you like to >> This next person could be one. I pulled it out of the bucket. It is the Kill Tony debut, I do believe, of Jacob Bar, everybody. Jacob Bar. >> Thank you. >> Well, well, well. >> Oh my god. Okay. >> Careful what you wish for. >> Okay, hold on. We're gonna reset this. Jacob, >> what's funny is is Adam knows better than anybody that you're not supposed to say anything after the bucket bull comes up. So me grabbing the mic out of his hand and putting it down is even another layer of hilarious to all of us. It's like Biden's misbehaving. >> I don't know. Did you see Shane's face when he notices his hands? >> I didn't even look. >> And then He's our Jackie Gleason. >> Oh yeah, without a doubt. >> That's what it is. >> Plus plus, man. >> He's the great one of the generation. >> What people don't realize, I I mean, obviously, is that he is that funny all the [ __ ] time. >> All the time when we're hanging out in the green room, >> every bar, every restaurant, every green room, every every stairway, [ __ ] anywhere, everything. He I always compare it to Mike Tyson in his prime. He just hits harder and different doing the smallest little things. Even if it's a face, if somebody says something and he just like reacts to it, it's crazy. >> It's also always fun. >> He's a fun guy. Like he wants to have fun. Like even when he's cracking jokes, it's fun. >> Well, >> I know he was very reluctant to do the roast, you know. He was a little reluctant to even host that. Like I don't want I don't want to do those things. >> Yeah. you know, but >> well, everything is, you know, everything could be something. He crushed so hard. It caused a real ruckus. Him and I end capping that thing. You know what I mean? >> It was supposed to be a, you know, this roast of black excellence and me and Shane are just [ __ ] having the time of our lives. He got >> Who said it was a roast of black excellence? You're just saying that because it was Kevin Hart. >> Well, yeah, that's that's like that was >> It wasn't like explicitly stated or anything, right? M >> I mean >> cuz imagine if you said you we're going to have a roast of white excellence, >> right? Exactly. No, I know. >> Crazy. >> It's weird where you can and can't say. >> That's weird. >> You know. >> Yeah. It's a whole thing with that. I mean >> you can't talk about this, but you can talk about that. >> Well, it's just weird what we accept, which like doesn't bother me at all, but like Kane Velasquez when he fought in the UFC, he used to have brown pride tattooed on his chest. Cool. whose family came over from Mexico. They they literally walked here. >> White pride not so popular, >> White pride on your chest. You know, [ __ ] Sean Strickland just decided to get white pride and he posted a picture on Instagram of him as a world champion with white pride on his chest next to Cain Velasquez as a world champion with brown pride on his chest. >> And people would lose their [ __ ] minds. Yes. >> And again, not saying that Shawn would ever put white pride on his chest. >> He would. No, he would. I follow him. He >> doesn't have any tattoos. >> I follow him on Twitter. He would. Trust me. >> He's a wild boy. >> He did get a temporary tattoo. >> He showed up at the UFC even though he was banned. He showed up and they arrested him. They kicked him out. He's the world champion. There's a UFC event at the White House at the time before Justin won. He was the only American world champion. And they're like, "You can't come." >> Because you talk too much [ __ ] about Israel. >> Mhm. He's a wild boy. >> But that's wild that your criticism about Israel is what keeps you from going to the White House as a world champion in a a world title fights at the White House. >> Like you think you would want to celebrate the American male world champion. >> I think he said some other stuff too though. >> Yeah. Epstein stuff there. >> Said he's a wild boy. >> I think he's >> I told him when he retires from fighting, he 100% should do a podcast. And he was like, I you know seen these guys doing these streamers and like I go, you don't have to do that, right? >> You don't have to do it that way. He's like, I couldn't do that. Just sit there every day and talk to people for hours. I'd lose my [ __ ] mind. I'm like, right, but you don't have to do that. Just your opinions on things. Like he's an awesome podcast guest, >> you know? I'm like, he could totally totally do that. Just talk about stuff. And also Sean when he lets the the whole stick down and just gives you his opinions on things. Very smart guy. Yeah. >> He's not stupid at all. And he would get better at it, you know, as he did it more. He easily could do a podcast. >> Yeah. He's entertaining as [ __ ] >> I just can't believe they kicked him out of the White House. And that is they kicked him out of the ellipse that area. There's I think there's video of it. See if you can find the video of it. Like, sorry guys. Like they got like [ __ ] six six cops and bulletproof vests. >> Yeah. I think there was like 85,000 people there. So, it's funny that they're like that one the champion. >> It's just he wasn't supposed to be there. He was banned. He was not invited or whatever. But even if you're not invited, shouldn't you be able to go to the fan area if you're the world champion? If you want to be that wild with no security and there's video of him from the first night from the night of the weigh-ins where they found out that he was there. It's amazing because he was wearing a hoodie the entire time and someone told him he's got to take off the hoodie and he's like I can't listen. It's going to be a problem and as soon as he takes off the hoodie everybody goes it's [ __ ] strong and then he's just surrounded by bros. >> Hilarious. >> Just getting hugged to death. He asked some dude uh some dude asked him to leg kick him. A Sean leg kick some kid. >> World champion [ __ ] kicking some kid. What is this world coming to? >> There's starting to be some >> It's him. Is it Is there uh audio? >> This is crazy. I like that we have some entertaining American uh >> Oh, he's the most entertaining >> that Josh uh Hoit Hocket. >> Hoit. >> My god, he is. >> That was what was hilarious was people were so upset that he said Michelle Obama's a man at the White House. >> It's like that's what he's doing. He's doing that on purpose. Like he's literally wearing an American flag bandana. He comes out to a Hulk Hogan song. >> He's wearing sunglasses >> during Yeah. It's not appropriate. You're right. >> Right. But he said the exact same thing when I interviewed him somewhere else. >> He said I I'm pretty sure he said Michelle Obama's a man like last time I interviewed him. >> That's what I heard is that it's not the his first rodeo at the Michelle Obama is a man. >> That's how he ends his interviews. >> He's trying to get people to talk about him. >> You know, it's the whole thing is so crazy. But all of it would be nothing if he couldn't fight. Exactly. That's what that's where it's real exciting is the pre-fight stuff. I mean, the post-fight interview pretty polarizing obviously because that was the news. But if you for the real fans paying attention, did you didn't get to see him do that? Did I send it to you? The kill Tony minute that he did at the press conference. Oh my god. So funny cuz he's like purposefully bombing. >> So he's literally doing a joke. He's he says, "You guys know Tony Hinchcliffe? I'm going to do my Kill Tony minute." and he's purposefully like bombing. It's corny, purposeful, bad jokes. And he's going, "Man, tough crowd. All right, let me let me try this one." And it's like literally being hilarious by strategically trying to be funny, but not being funny. You could tell that he was planning on nobody laughing, but that it's setup punch. And he's just [ __ ] try. He's just trying to entertain, which is >> he's trolling. >> He's trolling. He's getting attention. >> And then the most important thing, he can fight. >> that dude's good. >> He's [ __ ] good, man. He's fast as [ __ ] for a heavyweight. He's very light on his feet, fast as [ __ ] fast hands. >> Yeah. So fun to watch. >> And you know what's interesting is uh he talked a lot of [ __ ] about Alex Pereira and you know, I want a shyama on your mama, all that crazy [ __ ] >> Um Pereira losing to serial gone. Pereira decides to fight again. I don't know if he's going to fight again. He might be done. I think he said he might be done, but I mean a lot of fighters say that after a fight and especially after a loss. >> Let him sit around for a while. Then they come up with >> he's not done. >> They back up the Brinks truck. Get him versus Josh Hoit. >> As a co-main event on a [ __ ] banging New Year's Eve card. >> Let's go. >> Hit will be making fun of his headdress and his face makeup. Oh, it would be insane. It would be insane. But, you know, the thing is Hok's got to deal with that guy. >> That's a different guy. That's not Derrick Lewis. >> I mean, if he continues to fight heavyweight, it is interesting watching a guy who's been so dominant at 85 and at 205 with that all that extra weight on. I don't know if that necessarily was the right move, you know? I mean, I think like some weight is probably good, but maybe even 20 lbs lighter. Like maybe 230 something. Maybe that would be a better weight if he really wants to fight at heavy weight cuz it seems like he was carrying I mean just you ever work out with a weight vest on? >> Like a 25 lb weight vest. It's nuts how much harder everything is. So you got to realize he had fought at 185 and he fought at 205. That was what he weighed in at. But let's be honest. At 185, I think he probably weighed 220 something, 226, I think it was, fight night, which is nuts. It's 40 lbs difference. And at 205, he probably got into the 230s, like 235, 236, something like that. But still was not didn't look like he looked at 251. 251 he looked like he was carrying unnecessary weight, a little bit of it at least. And if he was just like 20 pounds lighter, he would still have that speed and movement, but he's always had crazy knockout power. It might be a better weight for just seemed like it was a lot of weight he had on him, you know, >> and it all went to his ass. Yeah, >> his ass was giant. >> Fat ass. >> Big fat ass. >> You know me, you know that's all I'm looking at. That's why I watch UFC. And uh yeah, it was all there. >> It was like a backpack. >> Well, that's where all the power comes from. You know, when you're pushing off your feet and you know, you're pushing off those [ __ ] quads and pushing into those glutes and then torquing that body the way he does. >> Ferocious power, dude. >> But damn, that serial gone's good. Woo. >> he's so good, dude. And he's in his prime right now. Sir Gan is like really coming into his own. >> There's no heavyweight like him. No one moves like him. >> Yeah, I was going to say extremely accurate for a heavyweight. >> Not just accurate, agile. Yeah, >> cuz uh we were talking about this the other day that basketball is a great place to start if you're a big athlete and you want to learn combat sports, especially striking because think about how many direction changes basketball players take where they're always kind of doing that. They're always spinning and moving. It's a series of plyometrics. It's a series of hops and jumps like Jordan's jump. Imagine if Jordan had a flying knee, right? >> Right. He's [ __ ] >> He's hit you with a flying knee from 14 feet away. Yeah. >> What do you got? >> Basketball. >> What's that? >> Playing basketball. >> It's interesting because uh >> Oh, serial guns are Yeah. So, he started out playing basketball. >> At least where I come from. Basketball season and foot uh wrestling season are at the same time. So, I wonder what he was doing back then. >> Well, he's in France, right? So, France does not have wrestling >> in their high school or in their college, you know? and he learned wrestling after he had become a really elite worldclass Muay Thai fighter. So, he's got the the the grappling is come up in big ways. Like his grappling is much better than it used to be. But really, primarily he's a striker and when John fought him like Jon just got him to the ground and submitted him like quickly. It's like the different I think in that fight was kind of a big ass wakeup call and Francis beat him too. So Francis beat him by just Francis just got a hold of him and most of the fight was on the ground. A giant chunk of it because Francis fought that fight with a blown out ACL. >> Defended his world title with a blown out ACL. >> Had big ass knee pads on. O >> I know. Wobbly ass knee. But that's how dangerous Francis is. >> He could just win it with grappling. It's It's a shame that he's not in the UFC. It's a real shame. >> Yeah. Because like that whole thing was what drove everyone crazy about boxing, you know, that it was really hard to get these guys together, >> you know, and this was the whole idea why everybody was excited about what Riad season was doing and uh Turkey alashshek and you know all those people that put together these big ass fights like Tyson Fury and Alexander Usyk and the last one they just did Rico Verhu and Usyk like they're putting together these big crazy fights Like you that was the thing that drove everybody nuts about boxing and that's what drives everybody nuts about MMA. The one thing is it's the heavyweight division. The fact that the best heavyweight or at least the guy who was the lineal heavyweight champion in the world isn't even fighting for the UFC. That's crazy. It's crazy. >> Yeah. Who knows? Maybe one day, right? >> Nope. >> I don't think so. I tried to make it happen. >> Damn. >> Yeah. I think we need to get those dudes together. Look at that. Look at dunking. That's crazy. >> I know. See, that kind of ability to throw your body around like that is so huge as a striker. Yeah. >> Because a lot of those guys are plotting, you know, they're plotters. They just kind of like wobble through. >> I think what they need to do is get Francis and the UFC together. They all do mushrooms. >> Just like make friends. >> Because he doesn't have much time left. I think Francis is 38. Is that how old he is? I think he's 38, which is different as a heavyweight. Heavyweights have turns 40 in September. Whoa. Not much time left, >> 40 you can do. But unless you're Bernard Hopkins, fighting at a world class level in your 40s kind of unheard of. >> I remember when France when uh Bernard Hopkins fought Kelly Pavick, a lot of people did not think that he had a chance. >> Oh yeah, I remember it very clearly. >> And he outboxed the [ __ ] out of Kelly Pav. He looked so good. >> Truly the executioner. I want to say he was in his 40s when that happened. >> How old was Bernard Hopkins when he fought Kelly Pavick? >> He fought at a world class level until he's 50 years old. >> Nuts. >> Yeah. Nuts. >> We were all watching that one. Everybody from Youngstown going, "All right, this is it. We're going to get back on the right path." Because it was after his loss to uh Margarita, is that right? Who's the guy that got caught with the cement in his gloves against the one guy Antonio Margarito? I do believe. >> 43. >> Wow. He was 43 years old. >> Against a 26y old. >> Crazy. Especially at 170 lbs. Like nobody thinks at that weight that you you can be competitive at a world class level into your 40s. Most of the time like people just write you off on that number. Yeah, >> they don't even care what you look like. Like he's not going to be able to do it. >> Was he the first one to beat Kelly? Is that what I just saw? Wow. Okay. So, he lost to him and then that's where [ __ ] started to get [ __ ] up cuz then he went on a a bad run after that. >> Well, when you got beat up like that. >> It's just tough on the brain, dude. There's only so many of them fights that you could take. >> Where you get really beat up like that. Bernard put it on him. >> Mhm. You know, there's been a a bunch of fights where a fighter got beat up really badly and then they were never the same again. Melick Taylor versus Julio Cesar Chavez, that's a great example. Chavez just put it on him and dropped him in the final moments of the round and then Richard Steele stopped it and it was like this crazy [ __ ] controversy cuz he stopped the fight with like one second to go in a fight that Melick was ahead on the scorecards. But the the real the real story of that fight was that the damage that Chavez had put on Melick, Melick was never the same again. >> Pavle actually won his next two fights and then had a bad staff infection problem. >> Oh wow. So after he beat Sergio So he was set to fight Paul Williams but to major staff infection and allergic reaction some antibiotics nearly killed him. Whoa. He eventually was able to fight again against light middleweight champion Sergio Martinez. >> Oh, Sergio Martinez beat him. >> Martinez beat he beat him. He Martinez beat him. >> Yes, sir. >> Um >> by Yeah. Uh unanimous 12 round decision. Sergio Martinez was a bad [ __ ] too. >> Yes, he was. In late rounds, Martinez came up. Yeah. It's it's a just a crazy sport, man. You only have so many wars in you. There's only so many times you could do that. And the really clever guys are the guys who just don't get hit much. >> I went down a Maidana rabbit hole recently. Oh my god, that [ __ ] guy's a freak. >> Oh, he's an animal. >> What a career. >> Oh, he was an animal. >> Unbelievable. He fought everybody. >> He was one of the few guys to really rock Floyd Mayweather. Yeah. >> Knocked his tooth out >> and wore his tooth around a chain. >> Yeah. He He got Floyd's tooth and wore it as a piece of See if you can find the tooth that Maidonna had of Floyd. Look at that. Look at that. >> Oh my god, that is so cool. >> How hilarious is that? >> That's so funny. >> He had his tooth put on a [ __ ] He wears Floyd's tooth on a necklace. >> Wow, that's crazy, >> boy. What a square jawed [ __ ] that guy is, huh? >> Look at that jaw. That guy looks like you could hit him with a baseball bat. He was a tough dude. >> Insane career. I think he fought everybody. >> The Broner fight, too. He dropped Broner. That was when Broner was in his prime. >> Yeah, he was a beast. It's a It's a hard ass [ __ ] sport. Any combat sport. That is a hard way to make a living. >> Profitable. >> Do you see all the stuff that's going on with Floyd? >> Yeah. I I can't wrap my head around it. I don't understand how someone makes that much money and doesn't pay taxes or whatever. >> Yeah. Well, I could tell you how you you run out of money. >> You know, you you spend so much money on >> You don't Do you think he has a business manager? >> Maybe he wasn't looking out for his best interest. >> I mean, just you got to put somebody in charge of that amount of money. >> You would think You would think $750 million would last you a while. Yeah, >> he's I mean he's not even 50. >> You give one guy 5%. >> How old is Floyd now? >> I Yeah. Put some away. >> But the thing is it's like that lifestyle. His lifestyle was all about showing you his wealth. His lifestyle. He's 49. Imagine making $750 million and you're 49. You're broke. >> That's crazy. But Tyson talks openly about how he spent hundreds of millions of dollars, >> just went through it. >> You know, if you're living that life where you're just wearing diamonds everywhere and you're buying crazy watches and you know, Floyd does these things. You ever seen way he he'll go into a hotel room when he's traveling and he talks about like the watches that he brought and so he opens up suitcases with millions of dollars in watches. He just opens suitcase. You ever seen these? >> Find them because they're kind of hilarious. He's just trying to figure out which one he wants to wear. He brings them all with him. >> Yeah. He's just showing off. He's showing off that he's got two suitcases filled with diamond encrusted PC Philippes and you know the the the most high-end watches. Look at this. See if you do you have the clip? >> Here it is. Look. Play put some volume on this. Look at this. are always in my [ __ ] business worried about what I'm doing, what Floyd is doing, what Floyd ain't doing, what I do got, what I don't got. Just know I'mma stay in my lane. I ain't going to [ __ ] with nobody. And I don't want nobody [ __ ] with me. If I go on vacation, my fault. When I go on vacation for 30 days, I take 30 watches with me. >> Look at this. >> But you know what? You know what? What's crazy is this. if we add 10 more days, I take 10 more watches. But then I say, "Fuck it. If I want to bring out the one and only, then I bring out the watch that cost $18 million." >> Oh, Jesus. Matter of fact, you know what I'm going to do for you [ __ ] haters today? I'm going to go [ __ ] off $50,000 cuz I ain't got [ __ ] else to do. Money made all [ __ ] day. >> You know what's crazy? >> That's the problem. So that you can only do for so long. >> So if you have one $18 million watch like, okay, let's not get crazy. Let's not get crazy. You wanted to get it, you got it. You have $750 million. You have one $18 million watch. You can't have 18 watches that cost millions of dollars. Like cuz you're going to need more. You're going to keep wanting to buy more. You're going to keep you're going to run out of money. How many Rolls-Royces do you have? Okay. Each one of those is a half a million dollars. You have four or five of them. H how many Ferraris? You got 10 Ferraris. Okay. What? Some of those Ferraris are almost a million dollars. You have 10 almost a million dollar cars. Okay. So, just in watches and cars alone, we're looking at 50 60 million. Okay. And then you have to make 120 plus to actually have 60. I don't know if he's leasing them. I don't know how he's financing things. I don't know. But >> I would love to know >> the real >> he can make that money back by he can make the money that he needs back by literally making a super documentary about how he spent it. You ever seen that 30 for30 broke about how the NFL players all spent their money? >> Well, it's unbelievable. One of the easiest watches ever. And like it it's I got to be 30 for30's like biggest production ever. Like it's everywhere. It's it's just huge. And um yeah, who the hell doesn't want to know about that, right? >> And I'm waiting on that Nicholas Cage dock that I probably nobody's making either where it's like because he's a different version of that, you know, about this. >> He went broke. >> But then he made it back again. >> Well, yeah. He works his ass off. So, he went on a He's on a terror. He's just making movies left and right. And uh yeah, going from 100 >> he faced severe financial struggles in the late 2000s, going from $150 million fortune to being 6 million in debt. Whoa. He never officially filed for bankruptcy, but he cleared his debts by relentlessly taking on movie roles, including direct to video films and selling off extensive real estate and assets. And >> I guess he bought like a lot of T-Rex skulls. Like he spent his money on like crazy things. He didn't just go watches and cars. He would find crazy pieces of art and like old historical things, I >> Well, he was a movie star from way back. You got to realize like what was his first film? I think his first film was like 1980 or something. >> I remember him being a movie star when I was in high school. >> That's a lot of time of being in that bizarro Hollywood bubble getting your brain cooked by fame. >> Yeah. He's one of those you can watch him do anything like one of those freaks where even though people will say I don't like this Nicholas Cage thing, I don't like that. >> From an article about what he spent his money on, >> $455,000 for two snakes. >> Okay, so it was $276,000 in 2005, the equivalent of $455,000 today. Thanks inflation. >> How crazy is that? What's the four? Think about that. $275,000 in 2005 is $455,000 today. >> How fun is inflation? >> What was uh Nicholas Cage's first movie >> officially? >> He was in a few things like unofficially. >> Just that crazy movie with him and >> Raising Arizona had to be like the first big hit, right? >> That was a big one. That was a big one. His new ones are good, too. These wacky ones, >> his filmography, if you go all the way back, 1982, Fast Times at Ridgemont High >> is Nicholas Copala. >> Valley Girl is what I was thinking of. That was in 83. Yeah. Credit is Nicholas Copela. That's before he changed his name because he didn't want to be connected to what is his uncle Francis Ford Copa. Is that what it is? >> Valley Girl. So, Valley Girl was 83. So, I was in high school, dude. Arizona Peggy got married. Those are big, too. >> Big. Those were huge movies, dude. Raising Arizona is so [ __ ] funny. >> I saw that like a year ago. I forgot. I forgot how funny it was. Remember Tai Cob or Tex Cobb was in there? The boxer with the flatten nose who fought Larry Holmes. He did a bunch of movies. >> Big white guy. >> Yeah. Big big [ __ ] cornfed white guy on the motorcycle. >> Yeah. Oh yeah. He's great. >> It's a Cohen brothers movie, right? Raising Arizona is those guys might be the goats. They might be the goats of comedy. Them and the brothers. >> Yep. No doubt. >> See how many amazing hilarious [ __ ] movies and the Cohen brothers was. They were always so out there. Everything's so out there. >> Some of their films are just like what the [ __ ] are you guys doing? >> Like King was Kingpin Fairley Brothers. >> Yes. >> Those guys too. Like without a doubt. >> [ __ ] that was good. >> Unbelievable. >> [ __ ] That's a funny movie. >> So [ __ ] great. So funny. >> The scene where he's throwing up in the toilet when she's talking about him eating her [ __ ] >> to pay his rent. >> Oh my god. Oh, Woody's range is incredible. >> You know what I heard about that movie? That they had primed all the actors to get really excited when Bill Murray throws three strikes cuz he had to throw three strikes in a row. And so they said, "This might take a while, so we're going to really need your enthusiasm." And then Bill Murray actually threw three strikes in a row first attempt and everybody went crazy like for real cuz they were, you know, like they were said this is not going to happen this way. So when he actually did it, everybody went [ __ ] bananas. >> Nuts. [ __ ] Such a good movie. >> I love it. >> Dude, Woody's a freak, bro. since he's moved here and goes to kill Tony and like we hang out and stuff only after like being making friends with him. Like I knew he did a lot of great stuff, but he sneaks up in so many great things. It's insane. He's in [ __ ] um what is the Conan Brothers one with uh not There Will Be Blood. It was made at the same time with Javar Bardm. Oh my god, how am I blanking on this? It's uh No Country for Old Men. >> Oh, that's right. That's right. >> He's in it. And he's not even They don't even like promote him on that or anything. He just comes in the movie halfway through with all these other [ __ ] greats and is crushing. >> It's hard to think that that's a Cohen brothers movie. >> The People versus Larry Flint. He's a freak of nature. [ __ ] >> that thing that you sent me the other day with him when he was playing LBJ. >> Oh my god, it's so good. I randomly stumbled across that one. And I'm like, "Oh, I'll fall asleep to this." Woody is LBJ. And it's one of those movies that [ __ ] kept me awake because it was so goddamn good. >> Mesmerizing. >> Super nice guy, too. Like easy to hang out with. >> Oh my god. The best. >> Very chill with everybody. Just hangs out when he's in the green room. He's just like one of us. >> Normal. >> You know, which is hard to do when you've been famous that long. Just be cool. >> But also, he doesn't have a phone. You get a hold of him. You got to get go through his wife to get a hold of him. He's smart. just insulates him from himself from all the nonsense. >> Brilliant. >> That's the way to do it. >> Yeah. But I think when you get to like that level, you kind of have to or you'll go crazy. >> Yeah. He has this fun. He likes laughing, sipping his tequila, smoking his weed. He's got it all figured out. Grows his own weed, makes his own tequila, eats live food or whatever, and just laughs and enjoys life. It's perfect. Yeah, it's nice to know that people can make it through that crazy maze and, you know, you could either go nuts and buy Tyrannosaurus Rex calls >> or you could just completely disconnect from it all and just be yourself. Just >> just keep keep killing it. >> I know him and Makana have a TV show that's coming out >> where they play Brothers, right? >> I think it's on Apple TV coming out soon. >> Yeah. So, um, what's it been like? Like the the weirdness, the post roast weirdness. >> I'm always surprised by these things. I'm always surprised that they last so long that anybody's talking about it. It's so bizarre. I was surprised with the Pang Dang thing. I was surprised at the Trump thing. And this one is really surprising cuz with other ones they're like, "Ah, there's a time and a place for jokes like that or this or that or whatever." And this is the time and the place for it is like the roast of Kevin Hart, you know? I'm going to go for it. >> And we roasted Kevin, you know? I did a [ __ ] George Floyd joke in the uh at the Tom Brady roast and I did a Who's the white guy that shot people? Um, uh, it's the same fan base as, uh, god damn it, the kid that shot people up in wherever. >> Be a little more specific. >> The white guy shot a couple people, had a gun at a thing. They made it look like it was black people, but it was actually white people that he shot that were shooting at him or had guns. What's his name? Has the >> I have no idea who you're talking about. >> Damn it. David Lucas is friends with him. Brought him to the club. >> Oh, Kyle Writtenhouse. >> That's it. That's it. >> I did a Kyle Writtenhouse joke. I did this and then this one, people are offended or something. I don't know. And yeah, if you just watch that clip on my dismount, it's a crazy clip. But if you watch the entire flow of the roast set, it's just one last departing joke, which that's my thing, man. It's like I knew Earthquake would be standing up on his feet like he was halfway through my set. you know, h you know, there's standing O's that are happening during my actual roast. And on this one, because there were so many people on it, it was such a long big roast, you know, they set you to an aotted time. So, I'm like, okay, I'm going to do something I don't normally do and blast off more jokes per minute than I normally do. Instead of milking it and getting applause breaks and things like that, I'm just going to create a bang bang bang bang bang final stand of things. And you know what's funny is that I have something that's supposed to offend everybody. Like I don't want you to like 100% of any of my jokes. I'm not that guy. I'm healish. I'm a bad guy wrestling fan. Exactly. >> So what's funny is people got offended about the George Floyd thing and people a lot of people said, "Yeah, well Pete Davidson did a Charlie Kirk joke." And they're comparing these things from two different spectrums. But what what they didn't mention is that I did a Charlie Kirk joke in my set. So, [ __ ] them. [ __ ] them. [ __ ] them. [ __ ] them. You know what I mean? >> Everybody gets them. >> Everybody gets it. Is always my >> Everybody gets them jokes. >> Everybody does. I said that Kevin has uh what quite the fan base. He has more gunfire at his merch table than Charlie Kirk. >> Or whatever. And um so you know for them to for people to nitpick that joke and be offended and it's funny because it was a lot of uh a lot of comedians a lot of black comedians were like I'm upset about this you know they made their videos which is just hilarious because they're not on the roast they're not in attendance at the roast. >> You you saw Tiffany Hattish >> the that was the best one. Nobody handled it better than her. find Tiffany Hattish getting uh asked questions. Was it a TMZ thing? >> About uh the roast cuz she handled it so perfectly. >> They're trying to They were trying to bait everybody. >> Of course they were. >> Everybody, even Cheryl Underwood, who handled it all like a champ. We made friends before at a Netflix brunch that week that was uh for that festival. >> Well, dude, I told you about Cheryl. >> Yeah, she's the [ __ ] >> She's awesome. Yeah, >> I I worked with Cheryl in like the early 2000s, I think it was, in Montreal. I told you she's a monster. >> She'd go on stage with her purse on just clutching her purse on stage and murder, >> She would mur here's Listen to Tiffany. >> She We look so good. Do you have like 30 seconds to chat? Really quick. Yeah. >> So, talking about Kevin Hart roast, right? >> Yes. It was so much fun. >> So, Lonnie Love didn't think so. Lonnie Love was like, "You know what? It's exhausting. It's edgy." specifically about the George Floyd joke. What are you thinking? Is it just comedy? Should they have been a little less uh >> I think it should have been shorter. The show was too long. >> I mean, I was sitting there the whole time. I had to pee. Something I didn't hear the George Floyd joke cuz I had to pee so bad. >> So, you went to the bathroom with that? >> Yeah. I was a glorified uh seat filler >> and I was tired. >> Well, also I mean Lonnie and other people were like, "Oh, maybe it was a little too racially motivated." What do you think as far as like the jokes? Is this just comedy or are people taking it too seriously? >> Is this all comedians saying it that wasn't invited? >> That's the [ __ ] comedian Tiffany Hattish. >> Bro, that was her version of the Shauna Ali walkoff kick. >> I love it. I love it, man. You never forget those people that actually are answering honestly in real >> well real comics. And again, it's the same thing for 100%. She's not only is it a fun walk-off home run, but she's also 100% correct. There's nobody that was there that was offended. There was no ruckus there. It's just like everything else where you leave and you go, "Huh, this thing's this thing's kind of crazily taking off, it seems." A lot of people are talking about that one joke at the end. It's so weird. Well, we live in an outrage culture and an outrage there there's a there's money in outrage. There's engagement in outrage. Outrage is the it's the commodity that everybody wants. Yeah. >> They want to be outraged. Yeah. >> And they want to be right. And if you're outraged and you've got a good point, you just ride that [ __ ] thing for as much juice as you can get out of it and then you move on to the next thing. >> What are you mad at now? it. You know, >> there's never in any of these things, there's never a moment where I'm like, "Okay, this could cause a problem." It was, it's never been that way. >> Wild. It was high fives. >> High fives and laughter after my 300 p.m. set in a half-filled Madison Square Garden waiting for the 8:00 p.m. arrival of Trump to speak. I'm, you know, on a 34 person lineup. Everyone was thrilled. Way to get the crowd going. I mean, it's you're just getting the party started. The lights were up. Like, it obviously wasn't the best position for me on that lineup, but the same exact thing. And then it's like a little bit later, you realize like, oh, they're making a news story about the Puerto Rico joke of all things. So interesting. >> I told you that joke was going to be a >> I would have never told you to do that joke during that, but I told you that was going to be a problem in your ad. >> It wasn't supposed to be in my original thing for that. was a last second filler because they gave me more time than everybody. It was a very bizarre thing. They gave me more time for every bizarre >> First of all, the idea that you would go on after someone like who went on before you, Steven Miller? >> No, not it was the national anthem with a guy painting a uh painting of things. Actually, no. He went on after me. I went on right after the national anthem, >> but someone had some kind of like rahrh speech. Make America great again. >> I wish there was. That all came like way after which is crazy. They just had me on the wrong position on the thing and uh yeah, >> you should only do standup where people are doing standup. >> Totally. Totally. >> It doesn't work. >> It's like But you got to say, >> but then again, it did it did work in house. The place isn't miked for sure standup comedy or lit for standup or anything like it. >> No, they were laughing. >> They were having a good old time. Well, they're probably happy that something wasn't stiff and boring, you know, like taxes and [ __ ] tariffs. >> I mean, Rudy Giuliani went on like 3 hours after me. >> Yeah, it was a nuts all day. It was a super long thing. My point being is that it always surprises me that I'm the news even though I'm because if someone else said it, if it was a politician that did it or someone else, someone high up in the administration, that would make sense. Same thing with the roast. If it was a clean comedian, right? If Nate Bargotsi or Jim Gaffigan were on it and they said that, that's crazy. Me saying it, that's normal. >> They don't know that, though. See, the thing is it's like you've achieved a level of fame that like really snuck up on people over the last couple years, you know? It's because the rise of Kill Tony has been completely organic. Like there's been no promotion of Kill Tony that made it become what it is. It's all just people sharing it on YouTube, sharing it online. That's all it is. clips and these moments, you know, and then, you know, obviously the Shane moments and all the Kyle Dunigan. It's been just so many amazing moments. It's such a good show. It came organically. And then you got to this point over the last couple years of like, "Oh, we got to pay attention to this [ __ ] guy." And then we had a and then after they started attacking you from the White House thing or the uh Madison Square Garden thing rather, which was 2024, then it was on then it's on like Donkey Kong, right? So that's two years later. So now you're a guy that they go to like to get mad at. And there's a bunch of people like that online that that's their business. Their business is people are mad at them. They have hot takes. People are mad at them. >> I mean that's So you you've fallen into that category. And so there's going to be people that genuinely don't like what you did and don't like you. And then there's going to be people that are just using it as a commodity. They're just using it as outrage, which is part of what the game is. You know, this this is what they do. and their engagement, you know, [ __ ] game that they play. And it's kind of what we do in the joke game. Yeah. You know, you get engagement. You get people to laugh. They You say outrageous things that you don't even really mean, but it's because it's a funny thing to say. It's just like I always say, Bob Marley didn't really shoot the sheriff. You know that, >> It's like it's just jokes. >> Like when you say inappropriate [ __ ] on purpose and that is like everybody used to know that. Like Louis CK was a very left-wing progressive guy when he was saying really [ __ ] up things that he didn't mean on purpose because they were funny. >> Yeah. Like that was what he did and everybody was fine with it until somewhere around it seems like it was like 2016 200 like it started to turn a corner where it became like people are starting to take these things as statements rather than as comedy material >> and they started trying to pretend that the person really means this like that's where it got crazy and that happened around the time where social media really came into prominence Because before that there was no real avenue to do that. There's no real avenue to pretend you were really deeply upset. >> I mean, I'm sure there's some people that were upset, but there's also a lot of like people that are just ill. They're online all the time on these social media apps just arguing and and spitting out venom and yelling at people and they yell at them. It's like they're in hell all day long. And anytime something comes along, they could be upset at they got to they have to have their take. They have to have that hot take. >> Yeah. And if their hot take gets engagement, they're all looking at their likes. Then they just start re-engaging with that subject and going back on it. And this is the real problem. Okay. >> Good luck with that. That's bad for your head, kid. >> Right. Exactly. >> Very bad for your head. All those people that I know that are like especially comics that are doing it, the comics that are doing it, almost all of them don't have good careers. No, all of them, right? None of them have like impressive care, especially compared to their contemporaries that are doing well. And then on top of it, they're all mentally ill. They're all people that are [ __ ] filled up with pharmaceuticals and they're going to therapy. They're they're like literally mentally ill and they're online talking about fascists, >> You know, like stop. Like get your [ __ ] together. No one your opinion is not that valuable to people because they know that you're [ __ ] up. Do you not understand that? >> Right? >> Like the way you view the world is is it's not a healthy balanced perspective. like you're viewing the world in this like mentally ill lens. >> Well, the whole online thing doesn't it doesn't even convert to sold tickets or a bigger thing. It it's such a temporary drug for them to get to fill this void of what they're not doing, >> right? It doesn't convert to them people wanting to go see them. No, I mean some people maybe they get like a little juice out of it, but it's not enough because you're also opening the door. If you do become popular, you have to understand that if you've been spitting hate at people for a decade and then you become popular, boy, that hate's coming your way. >> Oh yeah, >> it's coming your way, you know. And I mean, this is one of the things that I said after the Mensia stuff. I said, even though I think it was the right thing to do, I wouldn't do it again because it's just too much. >> It's just too much. You just you create all you just feel the darkness of it all the negative. It's all negative. It's all negative. Even if though it had to be done because you've got this guy with it. It showed me how completely absent of morals and ethics the business is completely absent, >> They knew what he was doing and they did not care. They didn't care because they were profiting from it. This is the conversation that I had with my agent when they were dumping me. >> I said I I told them, I go, "You're making a mistake right now that's going to affect the rest of your life. You have to understand the choice that you're making. you're choosing to align with someone who in any other industry that person would be in jail, >> If that person was and also if this was in literature or if this was in music, they would be sued into high heaven. Like there's songs that like they don't even seem like they're that close to each other and people had to give like songwriting credits to it. >> Yeah. Oh yeah. like songs like people get inspired by certain songs and then they write a song that sounds close enough that there's a rhythm to it that people get upset. >> Well, there's only so many notes and so many chords and there's only so many beats and so much timing. And it's often the same thing with comedy. Like there's some crossovers in a writer's room, which I've been in so many of. So many people writing on the same subject will have the same joke. Uh it's only when it's like what Mensia was doing word for word long form. Well, that was a different thing. What he's he was a buccaneer. That was a totally different thing. But there's songs like, okay, so I was listening to this video the other day or watching this video the other day rather that was comparing um Radio Head's Creep to an older song and they had to give Creep uh Radio Head rather had to give this older song writing credits for this which sounds so different. And then Radio Head accused Lana Del Rey or someone from their organization accused Lana Del Rey of having a song that ripped off Creep >> or was sounded too much like creep. And it did sound a little like creep, but it was very different. Like it should be obviously this is like inspired by it, right? If that's the like Elvis Presley's entire career was inspired by black musicians >> like the way he danced and moved and the way he sang. So it's like what are we doing? Like there's stealing and then there's inspired by. Inspired by is what we were all doing. It's like we were talking about that computer earlier, that chip manufacturing thing. That thing was built on the back of all the [ __ ] super wizard geniuses that have been working on all the different technology that led to that being. You can't just invent that in a vacuum. You have to invent that on all these other inventions that have taken place for decades before you. >> Right? This is the It's like with music. It's interesting how ligious they are. >> Maybe it's because they're run by a certain group of people. Totally. >> But they're so good at like suing people. Like uh Bittersweet Symphony. You remember that song? >> Oh yeah, totally. >> They had to they had to give all their money to the Stones. >> Because it was uh what song? >> Uh it's um >> what's Perplexity? while Tony is >> or while Jamie rather is. >> Don't do that, please. >> Oh, I can't do that. That's right. No, you can't. Oh, we have to get us. I know. Song called the last time. >> If if I mean, we learned this the hard way cuz I have an actual band that can play anything and everything. And years ago, they could play anything and everything. Our old episodes hold um cuz you know, I'd literally be to a you know, a shy person. I'd be like, "What do you you know, you ever do karaoke?" They're like, "Yes." I'd go, "What song do you sing?" And then they they go, "Da da da." And I literally they would go right into it. And now you can't hum a song for a few seconds. >> So Bittersweet Symphony was a sample from uh the Verve developed Bittersweet Symphony from a sample from a 1965 version of Rolling Stone song, The Last Time, uh adding vocals, strings, guitar, and percussion. After a lawsuit by the Rolling Stones former manager Alan Klein, the Verve relinquished all royalties to the Rolling Stones members MC Jagger and Keith Richards, who were also added to the songwriting credits. Wow. 2019, 10 years after Klein's death, Jagger, Richards, and Klein's son seated the rights to the Verb songwriter Richard Ashcroft because he was probably broke. There's similar things that have happened recently with uh I think Olivia Rodrigo and Paramore and then like uh Puff Daddy and >> Yeah. Can you please look up the other one that I set up though? Um which was Radio Head Creep, Lana Del Rey. And Radio Head Creep had to give uh songwriting credits to another band. >> The Holl. >> The Holl. That's right. What was the original song? The Air That I Breathe. It's interesting when you listen to Let's listen to them. See if you could find that. There's a comparison video that I watched uh on um YouTube. See if you could find that because it's interesting how they they they say the first one and you're like, "Geez, I don't see it." Well, we'll have to edit this out, ladies and gentlemen. But you could find it yourself. Radio Heads Creep versus Lana Del Rey's Get Free versus The Holl's The Air That I Breathe. Yeah, that was a live version of it, but if you uh hear the recorded version of it, it's even more You could see, >> but people get inspired by things. >> I get it though. >> I get it in those cases, especially like the beginning of the Holly song and then the beginning of Radio Head, like dead on. >> They're set in a mood, like a very specific mood. Have you ever seen how the guy from here's a crazy one. The guy from the Gorillas, the song Clint Eastwood, I think it is, he had a like one of those like little kids kind of keyboards and he hit the demo button because like oftent times it'll just have a regular song or whatever. And um it's the entire backbone of their biggest hit. Um, you'd have to you'd have to pull it up, I guess, to understand, but it's that. Yeah, there it is. So, that's just on the thing. Wow. >> And somehow they got away with it. >> And then all they do from there is just >> That's it. That's the preset. It's the rock one preset. That's so crazy. They used that. They used a preset from one of them little machines like a toy. >> And much like the [ __ ] crazy jokes that end up getting me in trouble, I bet they don't even think that's going to be the hit. You know what I mean? Like they're probably not like, "This is the song that's going to fly off the shelves." >> Yeah, but other people see it. Tony, I was the one who told you you're going to get stabbed for the Puerto Rican joke. >> There was that was so many years later. It's crazy. I was doing that joke during the pandemic to the point to where it got extended to where you were part of it. And what's funny is I left those tags of the longer joke out of the Trump rally one which probably would have protected me. It probably would have saved it going, "Ah, it's going to get me stabbed." Whatever. You know what I mean? >> Then you would have to do the Amy Schubert joke. >> Well, yeah, there was a lot to it. Yeah. People don't realize that that's a small bit of a much much bigger chunk at the time. Well, that's why it should be in a set. You know, of course, comedy is a such a weird art form. I mean, look, I love it to death, but real comedy should be seen in person. >> You know, Stan Hope said this once, like it was like everything we do on TV is just to try to get people to come see us in the clubs. Exactly. >> Like, that's really what it is. Like, you just really want people to go there live because that's the real fun. >> The real fun is all us, a bunch of human beings [ __ ] around and having a good time, right? soon as you start taking it seriously and making it something that it's not like you're I get why you're doing it because that has become a thing that people do today. But I'm just saying like for your own mental health just not it's not good for you to be engaging like I was saying about the Carlos thing like just engaging in conflict. It's not good. It's not good for you. It's bad for you. >> Feels bad. It's not good. It's not it's you this is ne there's negative energy and positive energy. You should spend as much of your time possible on things that make positive energy. I know that sounds hippie and because I'm a little bit of hippie. I got a lot of hippie in me, but that's what I believe. I believe you should spend as much of your time having fun, making people laugh, having a good time, and less about dwelling on >> Yeah. That's why I try to stay off Twitter because when I get on, I just start freaking out at all the different news stories that are just abomination after abomination where you're just so angry. >> It's just impossible now. And and you know, it used to be Twitter was Twitter and this and that, but really it's just the news. X is the news. It's so hard to >> absorb that. It you it was fun and you know it's cool and all and my algorithm still shows me stuff that I love. Police chases gone wrong and and UFC highlights and all of this stuff, but all the stuff around that is just crazy. I did a thing because I was staying at a hotel in um in uh DC right after the State of the Union or something. Anyway, I'm like, "Okay, it's a hotel TV. I never get to watch regular TV. I'm going to be asleep in a few minutes anyway." So, I threw on um I ended up going by CNN. I'm like, "Let's see what these wackos are saying over here. Let's see how fake the news can possibly be because from what I understand, the most recent State of the Union was a solid State of the Union and very positive and long and entertaining. Let's see what they say. Oh, racism this. He caused the deaths of black people here. He's the reason why we why America's failing. It's the reason why we're the laughing stock of the country. It made me so stressed out. And I'm like, "Okay, well, let's see what Fox News is saying." And it was crazy over there. And then you have [ __ ] >> What did they say? >> Uh well, they had their counterpoint person on, unlike CNN where they're just all in agreeance. Yeah. Yeah. and going by six people literally going, "Yeah, he's the worst and let's not forget that he doesn't think trans people deserve this and this and like they're just going on and on about straight doom." And Fox News had a counterpoint person that was stressing me out. And you know, and I swear to God, I'm not kidding. This is not a joke. I was flipping through the different ch by MSNBC. I'm like, "Oh my god, this is crazy." I put on Silence of the Lambs >> to calm yourself down. >> I swear to God, I was asleep five minutes later. Silent and I ended up, it just coincidentally was on the Buffalo Bill part where like he's got a girl in a well in the basket >> pure darkness and I'm like finally some peace on the cable television. I never get to just watch normal TV. >> So, did Fox News have a positive spin on the State of the Union address? I did not watch it. I remember for some reason it was stressing me out whatever was going on because like they have they at least Fox has they'll argue still like the news used to be they'll have both sides on and kind of talk it out and CNN has that poor guy that poor one guy that just takes all the bullets for everybody is just going lying this is that stat doesn't exist Jennings. >> Yes. Yeah. >> That poor guy is probably he probably has months to live. He takes so many bullets every day. He's a [ __ ] war hero out there. >> It's uh it's a very turbulent world when it comes to discourse. It's just everybody's mad at everybody else. It's really weird to watch. It's really weird to watch these these shows on CNN now that are basically like bad podcasts that get interrupted every five minutes for a commercial. It's really what it's like. >> I just don't I don't remember it being that way where it's just so many panel opinion shows. I remember it was it was more like CNN used to have Bourdain's show on Y, >> you know, where they would travel around the country and check out or travel around the world and check out food and it was interesting. Y >> and he would, you know, give you his perspective on the cultures and all the the problems and the things that these people were facing and their food and what what the community was like. It was [ __ ] great show. They did a bunch of different shows that were different, you know, and then somewhere along the line, man, they just went all outrage. >> And I don't think that's going to get any different now. I mean, now it looks like Barry Weiss is going to be running that as well. So, she's running the CBS News and perhaps she's going to be running CNN. The same company's going to be running CNN. It's like, okay. >> Good luck. Good luck. Because it's already People already don't want to listen. They don't want to take it seriously. >> Yeah. they, you know, and that's why X has become the news. The reason why it's become the news is because they can't trust the news, >> You know, >> totally. It's crazy over there. >> Like Tim Dylan had these two New York Times reporters on his podcast and uh I listened to him talking about it. I hadn't listened to them on the podcast, but I listened to him talking about it and he was saying that uh they said there's no evidence that Jeffrey Epstein was intelligence. And I was like, "What? What? There's no you [ __ ] watch one Mike Ben's episode of my podcast where he breaks it down. It's almost impossible that he's not >> right. >> Like what the [ __ ] are you like no evidence? No, that's not true. There's just evidence that you're not considering. So it's like if the New York Times and the people that we're always supposed to trust to be the objective purveyors of all that's going on in the world, if they're compromised, so they're not allowed to say things or they have narratives that they could they're supposed to spin one way or another or they're very cautious about being honest about their opinion, very very shielded about their actual opinions. Either either one of those is not good or if they actually believe that that's not good either because that means you're not really paying attention objectively. Like watch a Mike Benz episode where he breaks down Epstein's connections. It's nuts. The whole thing's nuts. It's crazy that anybody could say that he wasn't intelligence. >> Yeah, there's no doubt about it. And but they will do anything to push their own story. >> They don't. Yeah. It's it's a propaganda network. >> And whatever that propaganda is, I mean, that propaganda will shift depending upon who's in control of the realm of the of the U reigns, rather. the realm really is a realm realm of nonsense. Well, whoever's in control, they're going to be the ones that dictate how the narrative goes. And it's always going to be whatever the sponsors are. That's why you never hear anything about any of these studies that they're showing about the vaccine safety signals that they found very early on, how they hid it, all this Fouchy stuff. They're they're not showing any of that. the Tulsi Gabbard speech. We talked about that where, you know, she gave this speech explaining how he lied to Congress and Fouchy had pressured these other scientists to change their perspective on whether or not it was gain of function research and >> Yeah. the [ __ ] that we had a pretty big feeling about back in 2020. >> Yeah. You don't hear any of these people. They're not covering it. >> And they can't because they can't really tell you the whole news. They can only tell you the news they're approved to tell you. >> That's not good. And that's how X comes about. >> Yeah. That's how X becomes the place where everybody trusts. But then you go to X and it's just filled with horseshit. There's so much lies. There's always video of something happening and they're saying this is going on right now. And you're like, and then someone says, "No, this is a video from 2022. This is in, you know, this part of the world. This is AI. >> This is China. This is not Israel. This is, you know, it's like there's so much horseshit and there's so many bots." >> Yeah. It's like you just dip your toe into the water and you just feel poisoned. You're like, I got to get out of here. >> But then you feel irresponsible for not paying attention. >> Exactly. And I feel like so many people feel like they're doing the right thing, watching the news and being informed and they hear >> that the news is fake and they think that's just like a Trump talking point. I've always said that Trump calling it fake news was like one of the worst things that could happen because then it sounds like a Trump thing and the Trump enemies go Oh, fake news. Sure, it's fake. If he's saying it, then it can't be fake because we have to disagree with him. Meanwhile, it's a [ __ ] It's a goddamn production. I mean, it is >> fake. >> And >> they're right. It's fake. >> it's fake. There. A lot of the news is fake. It's not true. All that I mean, the fact that no one got in trouble for all that Russia gate stuff, >> crazy. Absolutely crazy. and that they still listen that the same people that were pushing that Russia gate [ __ ] are they're still giving opinions on TV, >> It's nuts. >> Yeah. There's no repercussions to be found. They get to say whatever they want. It's crazy. >> Well, the repercussion is no one takes them seriously. >> And that's real. They've suffered that. I mean, uh we've seen that in real time. And I think the p the pandemic was the big that was the big wakeup call for a lot of people especially people that were forced to take the vaccine because they had jobs or you know they had a fly or they had family members and then they they got some horrible side effect and those people got what they call redpilled you know I know a lot of people that got redpilled from that. >> They just can't take it anymore. >> It's crazy and it's bubbish. You know what I mean? And there's certain areas geographically in which that's the mentality and they stick to it. I mean, here in Austin, I'm known as, you know, uh, a skinny little [ __ ] I went to LA and it turns out I'm a racist Nazi. Like, I'm like, they were doing jokes on me at that roast in which it's like, "Oh, what are you guys talking about?" There's parts where I'm literally like, "What the I've never even heard this about myself. I'm on a comedy show every week where people take shots at me and I've None of this is a >> Well, it's made up and it's all They also made up a bunch of stuff about like you going to Saudi Arabia. >> Which is crazy, >> right? Crazy. >> They just made it up. >> Yeah. Not only made it up, turned it down. Like didn't go when offered vast sums of money that the bus boy, bag boy, Tony would never imagine turning down. And people don't even know that you turned it down cuz you haven't been public about it, >> right? I mentioned it. I me glazed over it on one for one moment on Kill Tony once. But yes, the people that turned down that money are you and Shane Gillis. >> Yeah. And meanwhile, Netflix clipped that and po and pinned it on their Instagram that joke. And with the caption, long sip because I'm sipping my water because the joke isn't on me, so the camera shouldn't be on me. Meanwhile, they're getting my reaction shot to, "Oh, you guys took that Saudi Arabian money." And make it makes it look like I'm offended or something or guilty of taking Saudi Arabian money. >> But just a joke when you just lie about a fact and to make a joke is crazy. >> Cuz you're just lying. Like that's there's a difference between that and making a joke about something. Like you had to make something true and then criticize them for something. So you had a lie about something and then criticize them about that lie that you just invented. >> Which takes three seconds to find out it wasn't true. >> It takes a really quick search like, "Oh, he didn't go." >> On the contrary, the the guys that Chelsea was complimenting during that set. Basically, Kevin Hart and Pete Davidson did take the money and went to Saudi Arabia. >> Also, you don't think Chelsea Handler would have taken that money if they offered her to go to Saudi Arabia? He went to dinner at Epstein's house. >> What the [ __ ] are we talking about? >> But it's all right cuz Woody Allen was there. >> Yeah. And apparently she gave him the what have you. >> She told him. That's what they said. She told him she was very upset with him. >> Um Yeah. At the intelligence agent slash sexual predator's house. >> Guys who arrested for statutory rape. >> Uh that's fine though. >> Just Yeah. Don't be a white guy. It's enough. >> It's just the whole thing is so stupid. Like if you want to make fun of someone for anything, for you know, you looking gay or you like you're down with that. But there you when you invent a fact that's not true, you say it's not true and then you criticize someone for that, like that's stupid. That's a stupid way to do comedy. >> and the way that it's covered and everything, it's like what what are you guys doing? Well, if you didn't know and people didn't know obviously because they laughed. They thought you maybe you did go or maybe Shane did go. They didn't know that you were the two people that did say no. >> You know, Jessica Kersson went and she got criticized so much she gave her money away. >> She gave the money away. I think she gave What did she do with the money? Find out what she did. But I was like, "Oh man." Listen, those people that went to see Jessica Kers, first of all, I heard she murdered over there. She's very funny. She's a [ __ ] dynamo. She's a killer on stage. Very, very entertaining. Lovely lady. I love her to death. She's fun to talk to. >> She [ __ ] murdered over there, I heard. So, a lesbian woman from New York went to Saudi Arabia. Look at donates Riad Comedy Festival fee to human rights campaign. Well, >> wow. >> All that money is going to someone's payroll. >> Yeah. It's going to, you know what I >> Daycare center in Yeah. you feel better. But meanwhile, someone it's paying for someone's salary that's probably not fixing homelessness or whatever the [ __ ] it is. >> That's what they do. Tom Siguro went and put a photo of a Ferrari and said, "Thanks, Saudi Arabia." >> But everybody was very upset. But my my perspective is um the people that are in that audience, if you're upset at the people that that are paying and organizing, okay, the people that are in that audience though that they're performing to, they don't get a chance to see American standup comedy and they're getting a chance to see it live. And standup comedy, like music, like literature, changes people's minds. It changes all art where you see someone, a different person than you with a totally different perspective that lives on another side of the world that says something that you think is hilarious and you love. It changes, you know, it changes people's perspectives. You win hearts and minds. I mean, that's real. Like you you can change the world a little bit by getting people to say, "Hey, we kind of are we all have a lot of shared interests. We just want to have fun. We just want to be with our friends, be with our family, and do what we want to do." Like everybody wants that, including those people in the audience. Like those people in the audience in Saudi Arabia were just Saudi Arabian citizens. They're just a bunch of people that lived there. They came out to see comedy. Like performing in front of them. I mean, what is wrong with that? It's was wrong. You're supposed to boycott it because the people that run it probably were involved with the killing of Jamal Kosigible in some way or the people that finance it. Okay. Maybe I see I see how you didn't want to do it and I see how Shane didn't want to do it and I probably probably wouldn't want to do it either. But I don't have any problem with people doing it because I think at the end of the day you're just like I don't have any problem with Saudi Arabia putting on these boxing matches that I talked about. I love that they put on these boxing matches and oddly enough that's not really criticized that much even by like heavyduty left-wing MMA media which is a real thing. Um there's a lot of like [ __ ] [ __ ] libs that are MMA media um just because they're journalists and they just happen to be fans but they have that like hardcore leftwing perspective. They don't seem to have that much of a problem with it. Not like people had the problem with the comics over there where guys like Louie and Bill Burr, they just get destroyed for >> Yeah. Yeah. It's nuts. >> But I think Sigura had the right move. Just don't even pay attention. [ __ ] off. I'm going to perform wherever I want to perform, you know. >> Yeah. No, it makes sense. Totally. I just can't go straight from a Trump rally to Saudi Arabia. Like a little bit of a hop, a skip, and a jump. >> I know. It's also It's like, you know, is that what you want to do? I don't want to go there. It's too long, >> So, I want to be on a plane for 16 hours to go anywhere. >> Yeah. Exactly. That's why I hate it. I hate flying. >> Yeah. [ __ ] off. >> It's terrible. >> Come to Texas. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. >> It's just we live in a very polarized society and I think a large part of that is what we were talking about earlier with social media and mentally ill people just just screaming into the [ __ ] void every day. I just would like to suggest to people just try not to engage like that for a month and see how much better you feel. >> Just try it. >> Talk and make friends. >> And hopefully that's not how you've set up your life where you have to do that for a living. Hopefully, you're not one of those people cuz there are people that are paid posters and they make a pretty good living just posting and getting engagement. Well, you know, I don't know what to tell you. You're trapped, >> You know, if you're if your whole thing is like [ __ ] on people all day long, you're kind of trapped. >> But you can't feel good. >> There's no way. >> No, >> there's no way. It's like the amount of cortisol that must be pumping through your body all day where you're going over and and I see like people that do that. I see how they get destroyed in the replies and I'm like and I know they're reading that like good lord. >> Like I don't know how Gavin Newsome is still alive. Every time he posts something the way he gets destroyed in those comments is like >> [ __ ] insane. >> Well, no one is happy. >> It's just the funniest thing because it's it he reminds me of like one of the last actual politicians. like he's a different just lying, ignoring of facts type of human being because we're witnessing it. Maybe it's easy for someone in uh I don't know, New Hampshire to go, "Ah, that Gavin Newsome's the future." But we lived in California and I've been to San Francisco recently and we've seen it. Like when you travel, you know, comedians aren't the end all be all in these wise whatever sages perhaps, but we do travel a lot and you spend a weekend in a city and you're not just doing your shows. You're having lunch somewhere. You're having coffee somewhere. You're dealing with the people at the hotel lot, whatever it may be. There's different communications and vibes and energies. And there's so many of these places, especially California. You know, San Diego's like a last stand. Huntington Beach is an air area around there. There's like these little pockets in which there's still some common sense and happiness. Enjoy Newport. These little pockets, >> but those major cities are [ __ ] man. even the drive and you know I go to LA basically maybe once a year now for a quick always fun visit always doing some arena and a couple nights at the store which is different unfortunately but the drive from LAX to that area of West Hollywood/Bly Hills is gruesome everything is for lease everything is empty um there's nothing new except for the crazy looking weirdass Obama Museum library, which is the craziest, weirdest eyesore humanly imaginable. Where is >> It's like on the way up there. I can't remember if it's like off of La Sienna or Fairfax. >> That's not the new one. Cuz the new one is in Chicago, isn't it? >> Oh, it is. What's the [ __ ] They built something that looks just like that monstrosity. >> No, the one in Chicago people don't like it. I think it looks dope. It looks like >> It looks like something from Bladeunner. >> I like it. A lot of people don't like, but it cost a lot of money. Cost like $850 million. See if you can find out what that building looks like. >> Show me a photo of >> something that looks just like that building. >> Sports complex on in Los Angeles they made. >> Who did the Obamas? >> Yeah, I don't know if that's >> Oh, okay. >> what is the um the one in Chicago? A lot of people were criticizing it and I saw it. I go, "That thing looks dope. I love it." Like that thing. Where is it? Yeah, the the one there where your cursor is. Click on that. >> Oh, that's a rendering. >> I don't think it's done yet. >> Oh, it's not done. >> Maybe. I don't I mean, this looks like >> I thought people were in it. >> I don't think so. I think they >> What's it down there in the lower? >> They just showed this online and everyone was going crazy. >> I thought people were already going to it. >> I don't know that. I think that's it. That looks like a rendering to me. That looks fake as [ __ ] But that one down there, that one down there with the darkness in the corner. >> Yeah, right there. Is that real? >> Encyclopedia Bratannica. >> I think that's a real photo. I think it's done. I might be wrong. >> Oh, you have uh Los Angeles, Chicago. Yeah, it's real. So, it's up. But I I think it looks cool. It's different. People are saying it's ugly. It looks like See if we can find photos of it. Go to images. >> Yeah. Just Yeah. We go. Like there, dude. I think that looks dope. >> Really? >> That window list. >> And look at how all the writing on the top. What does it say? Go all the way up, please. I'm >> trying. Oh. Uh, unconstrained >> convention by what is? >> It's written on two sides. So, >> I think you're missing. >> Oh, right. Oh, it goes all the way around it. Oh, that's [ __ ] cool. I think that looks cool. I mean, maybe I have no taste. >> I mean, we can't even find an angle of what they're trying to say there. So, >> right. I don't know what it's saying, but I think it's cool that they did that. That they had words that go across like that. I just think it looks sick. >> But I like that kind of brutalist architecture. I think that's what they call it. >> I like that kind cement with big glass. Like there's a lot of houses like that, especially like in the Hollywood Hills that I love. >> I looked at one of them >> back when I was starting to make that cheddar. And uh I was like maybe I should live in Hollywood and then I could just do the store right there. But I was like probably not that safe. I looked at the house um above um the store that Mitsy was selling. >> What was it on Kfax? Was that what it was? Was that the street? It was the comic store. The comic house where like Kenisonson stayed there and Paulie lived there for a while. >> But I had dogs and I was like this is not enough backyard. It's too small. And also it's like it's too close to the >> It's like right next to the beast. Like I don't know if I want to be like right next to the beast. I think I'd rather be outside the beast and go visit. Yeah, >> like that for me, for my head. >> But, uh, I looked at a couple of houses up there and one of them was this house that was like really it was out of my budget really. I was just I shouldn't have been looking at it. It was like 10 million bucks and it had crazy like like concrete with massive windows, but it was right there on the street. >> Like you're walking on the street, there's a sidewalk you could lean over and touch the front door of the house. I was like, >> "Yeah, >> this is kind of crazy to buy this house." And the guy was like, "Don't worry, we have a state-of-the-art security system." So I go, "Yeah, you know what that is?" I go, "Your camera is going to catch a guy with a ski mask robbing you." >> And two weeks after I said that, the guy who owned the house got shot in it. >> Whoa. >> Two weeks got shot in the neck. >> Yeah. So, >> hey, >> that's these places, man. But the ar that kind of architecture I think is dope. I like like that crazy modern cement stuff. But for a house like what you're going to live in the reality is you'd probably be like I'm sleeping in a museum. This is too weird. >> I'd rather just have a regular house. >> Yeah. Windows are a necessity. >> Yeah. I just want to see stuff. I just want to be able to open have a cup of coffee and see some trees, you know? Let me just sit down and [ __ ] collect my thoughts for the day, you know? I don't necessarily need to be in a [ __ ] museum. Concrete ass big. It's there's something weird about it. It's like you're too weird. If you live like that, you're weird, man. You're you're living with this giant 20 foot high glass wall in front of you that looks out at the bladeunner scape that is Los Angeles from the hills. Have you seen that view at night? Have you ever been up to a house? >> Oh, yeah. Have you seen this house? >> Oh, that's sick. I love that house. It's known as like the Oakley Founders House. I don't know if he still owns it, but >> Yeah, that's up there. >> that house I love. See, if I was single and a baller, that's where I would live. 210 million. A bargain. >> [ __ ] love that [ __ ] I see [ __ ] like that, I'm like, "Oh my god, that's where I love it." But I don't want to live there for real. >> I think after a while you would be like, "I'd rather have a log house." I was trying to find pictures of Kanye's concrete house, but this is not the one I was looking for specifically. >> I just love those kind of houses that look like that. Like especially that one, that circular one. >> The way you pull into that driveway and the the entire back house faces the lights and you see the lights like it's hard to see from photos of how Look how sick that looks, man. That's sick. I love that. But the lights from that, like if you're up in the hills, you want to be above looking down. And it's like a movie. It's like a sci-fi movie. It's one of the coolest [ __ ] views I've ever seen. >> Holly has the [ __ ] as crazy as it sounds, that [ __ ] when he made it, he bought a house that's on top top top of the Hollywood Hills with that MTV money. >> dude. It's crazy. He remodeled it recently when I was there for the festival. He's like, "Dude, you got to come see the house. Come see the house." I'm like, Pauly, I'm so busy. That's very highly unlikely. Come see the house, dude. You got to come to the house. Sure enough, I went there one afternoon for a [ __ ] coffee. Bro, it is crazy. He was right. He's got the house. He did it. It's on top of everything. So, there's if if a robber does try to go up there, they're robbing someone else's house. They don't want to go to the tippy top of the [ __ ] hill. That's a tough escape. >> That's the problem is the escape. You want to be close to the bottom so you can >> Speaking of which, I've been watching uh I got went down a rabbit hole the other day on YouTube >> where uh street racers >> and there's this one guy >> uh who is like a famous street racer because uh there's all these videos of him. He got his uh his thing set up where he can shut the lights off. He's got this black Corvette. I'm gonna send this to you, Jamie. I >> think I've seen this guy. >> Yeah, his name is really slow. like R Y L SL O um and he's got videos of these cop encounters. So they he like baits cops and then goes on these mad runs and you you watch it, you go, "Holy shit." >> Oh, I love it. >> Cars on the screen. >> Yes. This is the dude. >> About him, not just >> Yeah. This is well he's like a legend online because he does interviews only with a voice changer where it takes his voice and it makes it like that where he describes all the modifications that he did to his car. But he puts a 3D camera on the back of his car and he uh you know they have those things where you stick it on the back of your car and it gives you a 3D view of the automobile and he has video of the cops like flashing their lights and his car has got a 1000 plus horsepower. So these poor cops and they're like 300 horsepower [ __ ] Crown Victoria. They try to chase this guy and he just disappears and then once he gets out of the line like go back to that video where he was before. Watch this. >> I mean it's this is it's edited. It's not his videos. It's just someone >> I I understand but if you just I know this video but if you what what he does is they start pulling him over and in the beginning when they pull him over he hits the gas and then shuts his lights off. Did you pass that spot? Here it is. So So this is it. So they hit the lights and he's like, "See you." Are they going to show it? >> Yes. This is not the >> Okay. So this is not the compilation. So when he does it and he hits the gas, he gets far. Here it is. He gets far enough away from them. They're not showing it. >> These [ __ ] they have to edit their own [ __ ] Leaving it alone is better. So he gets ahead of everybody and then just he has a button where it kills his headlights and he's using night vision. >> Yeah. It's nuts. So, is this it? >> Says he enters ghost mode here. >> Yes, this is it. So, this is this guy. So, his license plate says, "We'll run." >> Like, it's a fake. It's a fake license plate. The cops get it behind him. They hit the lights and he goes, "Bye." And the cops realize there's no way to catch this guy. It's not. Look at that. >> Oh. >> Lights go out and he's gone. >> And he's flashing lights on people to get them the [ __ ] out of the way. And there's no way to catch him. And then he bangs U-turns. He knows where he's going. He plots it out. And the thing is, he's filming this and uploading it. >> So, he's got to hide his identity through how many different channels? How does Instagram not know who he is? How is he posting? I guess he's using a VPN. He's probably using a proxy and he's probably going through some other country or something. If he's smart, if he's smart enough to avoid detection, but he just has these [ __ ] crazy car bills. It's like he's got a Calvo Viper that has like I mean I don't know how many [ __ ] horsepower that thing has, but they make some of these COVID Vipers. It's a company here in Texas. They make Vipers that have 2,000 horsepower. >> What? Like where >> the [ __ ] are you talking about? >> Does anybody know where does he always do it in the same city? >> He's in I think he's in the Dallas area. >> How fun. >> Well, yeah. Well, not good if he kills somebody, but it's uh very spooky. it's nuts, man. Because this [ __ ] dude uh really knows how to drive, too. And you see these poor cops and one of them, the cops wipe out. They slammed into another car and >> oh [ __ ] >> they're trying to pass by these cones and the road cuts off and the cop hits the cones then loses control of his car and slams into another car. Like people can [ __ ] die. Especially if he runs a red light and he runs a lot of them and someone's being an idiot. Maybe someone's doing exactly what he's doing while he's running the red light. >> Dude, you have to see what Kanye's doing right now. It's a it's a historical moment in all of art. It's unbelievable. >> Yeah. You said the he's standing on the globe, right? >> Well, not only that, he the entire everything is a super production and it's all him. like you could tell he's made every decision and tweaked everything to the to the color of everything to when it happens to how it happens that it's not too much. He's not overwhelming the senses with lasers and lights and all of this. It's all so strategic. But most importantly, it's first of all, it's the [ __ ] greatest production I've ever seen of anything. And I come from Pink Floyd land where the live show has to be ahead of its time and state-of-the-art and everything for my mind to be blown. And I was expecting this to be like every other rap concert that I've seen, which is going to be fun and good and maybe great. Of course, it'll be great. But this was like a thousand times my expectations because first of all, he's doing pop-up shows at stadiums, which is crazy. He announces it a week or two in advance and the stadium's like, "Okay, we're sitting empty that night. We'd love to sell beer and water and get a percentage of merch, right? How these venues work." They don't give a [ __ ] And he's not promoting it. Everyone else that's been to one or seen one is promoting it. And then the mayor of whatever city or whatever leftist person, whether it be the governor of that state or whatever, is like, "This shouldn't be happening." So, they're promoting it for him. and it's filled to the top of the [ __ ] stadium. Whereas even Pink Floyd or the Rolling Stones or whoever announces a tour all at once and goes, "Hey, buy tickets. I'm on tour. Pretty. Please come." Right? He's just like San Antonio July 4th. >> Like a week ago, literally. And what's crazy is that my buddy got me tickets to go see him in Tampa because as all we knew is that he was going to Tampa. And so there I there I was and I'm looking and it's filled to the top and the floor is filled and it's he doesn't stop. He doesn't take a break. >> There it is. >> I saw that on Instagram after his first one that he did. I think it was in LA and I'm like, "Oh, that's crazy. I need to see this. >> That is nuts. That stage is nuts." >> But these pictures and videos do not do any justice to what is happening soundwise, energywise. Just that stage alone is [ __ ] insane. >> It's crazy. And he enters at the he walks through the crowd because obviously it's in the round. He comes out and you hear a pop from one side cuz they can kind of see him and then the globe turns on and you know he waits until it's dark. So he is he enters at one point and then inside is a a um a uh a lift that only takes him. So like there's no one that can storm that stage or anything cuz it's inflatable on the outside. So it's an impossible impossible to, you know, storm the stage or anything like that. And he's the only one that has access to the lift obviously. And he has a tether that he's attached to so he doesn't go off or anything. >> So it doesn't fall into the balloon. >> Exactly. And it is the most diabolical show I've ever seen in my entire life. Ever. And that includes all the [ __ ] everythings. And again, I come from the school of Pink Floyd, which is always 10, 20 years ahead of its time production-wise. And this was [ __ ] nuts because he does not stop. He does not take a break. He doesn't go, "Thank you guys for coming out." Until the very end in which he goes, "It's all about love. I love you guys. Thanks for sticking with me all these years when all these people said this." And then by that point, two and a half hours in when he's saying that, you're just like, you got to be [ __ ] kidding me. >> When you realize the bulk of his work, how many bangers that guy has, >> it's nuts, dude. >> Bangers. >> And I, as an experiment, took my one buddy who said that uh, you know, part of the group was my one friend who has always been like, I don't know, you [ __ ] love Kanye. I mean, not really my thing, but he's not he's just not really a rap fan is the reality. So, I invited him on this trip and his mind was [ __ ] now he's a diehard Kanye fan. Now he's going back and, you know, realizing that he's always been a Kanye fan. Like, it's such a crazy [ __ ] thing because not only does he have hits on hits on hits, but he does not stop in between songs because some of his beats kind of correlate or this and that. He'll literally just keep going and going and going until his amazing on his new album, he has this keyboardist with one of those like crazy blow into tube instrument things. I don't know what it's called, but he has a solo, a big one on one of the songs, which is gives Kanye a minute and a half to catch his breath, an hour and a half into nonstop going. And also on top of all that, you know, a rap concert's a rap concert, but Kanye is the greatest producer of all time in that industry. So every noise that's happening, even if he's not talking or or singing or rapping into a microphone, is all him and him only. You know what I mean? like he might get an idea or an inspiration as we've talked about or he's a master of sampling um old hit songs and having them be in the backbone of the thing and everything, but this was it's just a whole another level. Absolute insanity. Like I thought I was going to go there and be like, "Yeah, and maybe, you know, move a little bit or sing along or whatever." And instead my jaw was dropped the entire time. >> Is there anybody that ever bounced back from being canceled like him? And that's really the underlying thing. There's this feeling of loyalty that's there. And we're right. You know what I mean? There's a feeling that everybody there is like they're correct. >> Does that make sense? Like I saw a breakdown of it cuz my algorithm's feeding me Kanye stuff non-stop since I went to it cuz somehow [ __ ] Instagram knows and whatever. And I watched a breakdown of it talking about how like it's like this psychiatrist or energy specialist or something that's talking about how and why this is the craziest concert ever done before. And she breaks it down and goes, "People that like Kanye believe in themselves." Because if Kanye saying, "I'm the greatest. I'm the man, I'm a god, all of these things," makes you not like him and you insecure, you're insecure. Does that make sense? Like it's like he if if that turns you off to somebody, then you don't really like yourself that much. >> Why do you think that? Well, again, this was someone else's psychological breakdown of it, and I'm probably not explaining it correct because I was stoned on a couch, but >> I see how what they would be saying to try to defend him, but there's some people that just get turned off by that kind of braggadocious rap music. >> I don't. >> I love that [ __ ] >> I I love 90s hiphop talking about how great they are. I love it. >> I'm a giant fan of that [ __ ] >> Yeah. You know, I think like some of my favorite rap lyrics, like some of Nas's lyrics, just him talking about how he's the [ __ ] >> Yeah, totally. >> I don't mind it at all. But it's like it's when you're singing along to that stuff and you're listening to that stuff, like you're feeling what that guy's feeling when he's saying it. And if his raps are hit, if his rhymes are really hitting, especially like Kanye or any of the greats, you know, Biggie, Tupac, Nas, like when when they're nailed, it's like, >> oh my god, >> with good lyrics and good execution. It's a be it's a [ __ ] amazing art form. Even if USA really did create it. >> I don't I don't want to believe that, you know. I think they probably very they promoted it. What's really interesting is the lack of big rock and roll bands. I know Jaime's kind of defended this, but Right. >> I think it's a fact. >> Oh, no. No doubt. >> There's less big rock and roll bands than when we were a kid. When we were a kid, rock and roll was everything. >> It was like rock and roll. And if you liked rock and rap, like you were a weirdo, >> you know? >> Yeah. Like I really became a rap fan like almost like silently like secretly >> because you had to be a rock fan. If you if you loved rock music and you went to rock concerts like that's all you liked. But I was like yeah but this is good >> You know I'd like listen to ghetto boys. I'll be like you got to listen to this. Come listen to this. [ __ ] is awesome. >> Yeah. Oh my range is absolutely ridiculous. >> Our green room. >> I just got Roy Orbison on vinyl. Oh. Oh, yeah. >> Pretty Woman. >> Oh my god. And again, that's one >> We're gonna be in trouble for that >> probably. >> And again, Pretty Woman, much like Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here, is like one of my when you get into their radio stuff, it's kind of funny how some bands and musicians get like typ casted by their hit, whereas like Pretty Woman's kind of repetitive and easy, even though it's a jam, right? >> Mhm. but his other songs that like I hadn't even heard before because I'm like this guy seems like he has some [ __ ] some hits and he does man and uh you know I what I mean by the Pink Floyd thing is it always fascinated me that people go ah yeah I like Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here Another Brick in the Wall and it's like damn it it's because those are their radio songs cuz they can't play an 11 minute long Shine on You Crazy Diamond or all their real hits that they're real echo. which is like 17 minutes and goes slow and fast and and bluesy and then jazzy and this and that. >> yeah, there were so many songs like that, especially from like the 70s where they just took wild chances and had long ass songs like famously Freeird like record executives were telling them like the beginning of it is too slow. >> And they're like nope this is the song >> exactly. >> This is what it is. >> Yep. There's another one. Yeah. Whole lot of love. >> Whole lot of love has a minute and a half of [ __ ] sounds. >> And symbols and [ __ ] It's weird. >> I only recently got to see the uh the Queen movie, whatever that is. Is that Bohemian Rap City? >> I believe so. >> Whatever they call it. >> I haven't seen it. >> Yeah. Well, I walked in on a part where it's the rec they're at the record executives's office and he's going, "This can't be the main single off of this thing." And and Freddy Mercury's like, "Dude, it [ __ ] has." And I'm obviously not quoting this, but >> uh and the record exec's like, "Man, you're saying gibberish at points. It's slow with a piano. You're saying things that don't even make sense and it's [ __ ] 8 minutes long. Like, what are you thinking?" And they're arguing back and forth and back and forth. and his bass player, guitarist, or one of the guys that's in the meeting with this record exec sitting behind a big fancy desk points at the wall and goes, "So, you were the record exec that made this, huh?" And he points at Dark Side of the Moon, and you see the record exec, "Oh, fuck." Because what the [ __ ] was that? It starts with a heartbeat, has no words for the first what, however long. >> Also, what is the deal with it aligning with the Wizard of Oz? >> Crazy. Roger says it's just coincidental. >> I know. >> But it seems like the universe organized it. Yeah. >> It almost seems like evidence of the simulation. >> Because it's so good the way it lines up. >> It's too good. >> I've always said it's the craziest coincidence of all times. >> I feel like it's evidence of the >> There's something about it. There's evidence of like some weird bizarre synchronicity between those two pieces of art. >> Yeah. The produ producing that would have been near impossible. >> Impossible. Not like he couldn't, but just the amount of planning and figuring things out and the technology then would have been so hard to do. >> Yeah. So hard. Pink Floyd would had to they would have literally have to watch it and then go over each beat and decide. >> How high was the person that figured it out too, >> right? Got discussed. But like how do you notice that? Like hold on. Is it It's going It's still going. It's 45 minutes. >> But meanwhile, it's perfect. Like we've watched it before. It's perfect. The lyrics are the scariest part. >> which one is which at one point when only when the only moment when both the good witch and the bad witch are there? >> And the wildest one to me is always when she's balancing on the thing, you know, in black and white with the other farmers around and on the run that crazy starts and she falls off at that exact moment and chaos is happening. It's crazy. Is there a why in that conspiracy? You know, like why would they have done that just to do it? >> Just for funsies. Just because they were picking Floyd. >> There's a lot of rumors you could have picked. >> Well, I mean, Roger Waters says it was an accident. >> I know. I'm just saying like >> I know. I know. But the conspiracy theorist I don't know. I mean, I would imagine they think that I brought the people that believe that it was some sort of a coordinated conspiracy. >> It's like, why wouldn't they say that? Why wouldn't they just say we we lined it up with >> be awesome. >> The Wizard of Oz. Yeah. If they said that it would make more people watch it and more people listen. >> Well, they did pretty good off of it. >> Yeah, they did pretty good. >> Who were we to give them advice? >> Speaking of doing pretty good. You're [ __ ] killing it, dude. Congratulations. >> Thank you, buddy. >> That's awesome watching it all. >> Thank you, man. >> You're taking all the hits. Keep on moving. Keep on trucking. Just makes you stronger. >> On to the next one. >> Makes the jokes better. New jokes are killing it. >> Yeah, it's fun. We're having a good time. >> Yeah. Tuesdays and Wednesdays are the best. Working them out at the mothership. >> Yes, sir. All right. I appreciate you, brother. >> Thank you, man. Hell, yeah. Bye,