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Candace Owens - "I Don't Believe Tyler Robinson Was Even There" | SRS #318

In the longest interview on the site, four hours and forty four minutes, Shawn Ryan hosts Candace Owens for a conversation that runs in two halves. The front half is her case about the killing of her friend Charlie Kirk: she tells Ryan she does not believe Tyler Robinson was the shooter, disputes the public account of the wound, and argues the motive traces to Israel and a phone call she attributes to Benjamin Netanyahu. The back half is her life story, from a childhood in Connecticut and a viral video through Turning Point USA, PragerU, and her exit from The Daily Wire, to the independent show she runs now. She also covers her conversion to Catholicism, a trip to Russia, and a worldview that runs through Freemasonry and the occult. Every claim is attributed to the speaker who made it, with a closing section separating established record from contested claims and speculation.

Published Jul 2, 2026 4:44:26 video 42 min read Added Jul 11, 2026 Open on YouTube →

At a glance

Candace Owens sits down with Shawn Ryan for four hours and forty four minutes, the longest conversation on this site, and it runs in two halves. The back half is a life story: a childhood in Stamford, Connecticut, a near ruinous illness, a viral video that hit 26 million views, and the road through Turning Point USA, PragerU, and The Daily Wire to the independent show she runs now. The front half is her case about the killing of her friend Charlie Kirk. Owens tells Ryan she does not believe Tyler Robinson was the shooter, argues the public account of the wound does not match what she says she saw in the footage and the car photos, and lays the motive at the feet of Israel and a phone call she says Benjamin Netanyahu placed to Kirk weeks before he died. From there she moves through her exit from Turning Point and the Daily Wire, her feeling of betrayal by Donald Trump, her conversion to Catholicism, and a worldview that runs through Freemasonry, the occult, and a recent trip to Russia. What follows rebuilds the conversation in order, attributing each claim to the speaker who made it.

Figure 1. The shape of the interview. The front half is Owens's case about the killing of Charlie Kirk; the back half is her biography, told in order from childhood to the independent show she runs now. Amber threads are the case, blue threads are the life.

The introduction, and a Time magazine cover

The two open by admitting they were both nervous to meet. Ryan says a mutual friend, Dana, warned him off getting on Owens's bad side; Owens laughs that she is "so nice, so friendly." He reads the Patreon question first, from Kim Turner, about how she stays grounded when the attacks turn personal. Owens says she stopped paying attention to criticism long ago because it is constant, and that with four toddlers at home and a fifth on the way she cannot afford to let the internet define her. She contrasts her younger self, unmarried and swimming in insecurities, with the "real substance" of family that steadies her now.

Ryan brings up the Time magazine cover Trump posted mocking her, an AI generated image using an old photo of her looking ill. Owens says she barely remembers it, that she was in Italy being confirmed by a cardinal at the time and simply turned her phone off rather than let the president "ruin my day," treating it, she says, like the eve of her wedding. She calls it strange and elementary that the president of the United States would dig up a photo to call a podcaster fat and ugly, and points out he had just started a war, which she thinks was more important. Then she reframes it: the photo is real, and she shared it herself years ago. In 2015, she says, an HVAC leak in her building gave her toxic mold illness, triggering candida growth, head to toe eczema, hair loss, and a brain fog so total she could not think or write. She describes getting on her knees and bargaining with God, saying she did not care about her hair or her skin, only "please just let me think." A year of a strict sugar free diet cleared it, and she says it humbled her right before public life and taught her to cook from scratch, which is why she gardens today. Ryan hands her a bag of the show's gummy bears, made in Michigan, and she declares them genuinely good.

Growing up: grandparents, work ethic, and an early divorce

Owens was born in White Plains, New York and raised mostly in Stamford, in Fairfield County. Her father was a plumber, her mother managed billing at a chiropractic office. She is the middle of four, "middle child syndrome," a year and a half apart from each sister, and says they bludgeoned each other growing up but talk every morning now. At eight the family moved in with her grandparents because they were poor, living in a roach infested apartment; her grandfather, who had started life on a sharecropping farm and later bought that same farm back to retire on, said he did not want his grandbabies growing up like that. She and her sister lived in a carpeted attic she loved because it reminded her of Hey Arnold. She credits her grandfather for her entire work ethic, a man who had held a job since he was five laying tobacco to dry, and calls moving in with him the single greatest thing that happened to her.

Her parents divorced when she was 23, calling from an empty nest to say it was over; she remembers the exact street she was walking on in New York State when the call came. She contrasts her grandparents, married from age 17 until her grandmother's death, with the generation beneath them, all divorced, and repeats her grandfather's verdict on what changed: "it was those darn hippies." She says her own instinct is to go backward, "regressive," toward what he had. As a child she wanted to be an archaeologist after falling in love with Egypt, then a lawyer, and jokes that with how often she is sued now she practically is one.

The lawsuits, and the Brian Harpole case

Owens says she has been sued too many times to count, naming Daily Wire suits, the Brigitte Macron matter, the Blake Lively case she got pulled into, and an attempt to rope her into a Kanye suit. The one Ryan focuses on is Brian Harpole, a member of Kirk's security detail who appeared on the Shawn Ryan Show, and who is suing Owens for defamation. She lays out why she finds the suit strange: she says she never spoke his name on her show until after his interview with Ryan, yet his filing argues he was "forced to become a public figure because of me." She reads the suit as opening with pages calling her an antisemite, which she says has nothing to do with the claim, then alleging she cost his business revenue by calling the security team incompetent.

Owens says she stands by "incompetent." In her telling, a security firm whose client dies on the job should not expect to be lining up new clients, and she raises what she calls visible problems: no one on the rooftop, inadequate support to Kirk's neck as he was carried to the car, and Harpole's own statement on Ryan's show that they did not perform CPR because they were focused on stopping the bleeding, which she argues makes no sense if the heart has stopped. She says she texted Harpole four times asking a simple yes or no about whether he was at Fort Wuka on September 9, so she could quickly report his answer, and that his stated reason for not replying was that he did not want her to "get famous off of him" or use it for clicks. She says the case is headed to court in Nashville, which she welcomes because it lets her force answers under deposition. Ryan says he did not press Harpole hard in that interview because the loss was fresh and he wanted to be respectful; Owens agrees it was better to let him talk, since it gave her material.

The crime scene questions

From the security detail Owens moves to what she describes as inconsistencies among the men in the car that carried Kirk to the hospital. She says Harpole claimed to have cut off Kirk's shirt and directed staff at the ER, which she calls fantasy, since a bystander does not run a hospital. She points to Frank Turk, another man in the car, telling conflicting stories about whether CPR was performed, to varying accounts of who did what, and to her claim that Kash Patel moved early to have hospital cameras taken down. She says the stories "keep running into each other."

Then she raises the crime scene itself. Owens says the ground where Kirk was shot was repaved by early Sunday, days after a Wednesday shooting, and that first a separate crew removed ten inches of soil, which she says is not normal and is not done at other murder scenes. She says the man assembled to lay the pavers gave an interview stating the instructions came down from the governor of Utah and Patel's office. From these details she builds toward a theory, which she is careful to frame as her own: that investigators would have found explosives, and that Kirk may have been killed by a shape charge using PETN, an explosive she says resists cleanup and stays in soil, which she offers as the reason the soil was removed. She credits an online researcher, John Brayer, with the microphone theory, and says the "holes in the story" resolve if you run that theory, including why bomb dogs were not brought to where Kirk died.

Owens says her own starting point was watching the footage with plain eyes. She says she saw Kirk's necklace break and whip before he was hit, and his shirt move in a way that made her first think he was shot from below. She initially dismissed an explosive because Kirk was not burned or charred. What changed her mind, she says, were exclusive photos of the car, which she says was quickly towed to be cleaned and resold rather than held as evidence, and which showed what looked to her like black ABS plastic shards on the floor, in the seat Kirk had been in. She says Brayer messaged her that this was exactly what his theory predicted, a Rode microphone shattered into pieces that would have to be cleaned off the body in the car. She grants a devil's advocate reading, that it could be stepped on sunglasses, but says it looks like a smashed road mic. She notes the mics had recently been worn with the capsule on the inside of the shirt held by a magnet, a new practice, which she finds odd. She says she never believed a shooter fired unseen from a rooftop on a crowded campus in daylight.

Figure 2. Two accounts of the same death, presented side by side. The left column is the account given by investigators and prosecutors; the right column is the theory Owens argues on her show and repeats to Ryan. No forensic finding in the public record supports the explosive theory, and Robinson has been charged as the shooter, which Owens disputes.

The missing evidence and the "Man of Steel" neck

Owens next challenges the public explanation for why the wound looked the way it did. She says the claim that Kirk's neck stopped a rifle round, framed publicly as a "man of steel" miracle, asks the audience "to be idiots," and she says it was delivered in what she calls an emotionally manipulative way that ties belief in the story to belief in God. She says this was the lie that transformed her view of Kirk's widow, Erika Kirk. She describes being slow to explore any theory involving Erica, both because Erica is the mother of Kirk's children and because it required a second stage of grief; she says she went to Wyoming to reread all her messages with Kirk and moved through denial, bargaining, and anger, at one point hoping he had been put in witness protection.

She lays out a sequence she says happened on the day of Kirk's actual funeral. She says she called Terrell, Turning Point's longtime audiovisual head, to ask why the campus cameras were taken down, expecting a routine answer, and instead found him nervous, offering what she calls shifting excuses, including that he feared Google would hack him if he sent a file, and that he took the camera so Erica would not have to relive the death, which Owens says makes no sense because the death was live streamed. She says he finally agreed to show her the back footage over a recorded FaceTime, and that what struck her was that there was no blood and Kirk's shirt stayed crisp white. She says she reported what she saw to her audience, and that this triggered a panic: she claims someone at the FBI called Turning Point to ask whether she had recorded it, and that COO Justin Strife pressed her husband about it. She says Erica then left the funeral to make a three way call with a surgeon and PR man Andrew Kolvet, after which Kolvet tweeted the "man of steel" explanation. When Owens asked Erica about the tweet, she says Erica told her Kolvet "went rogue" and the surgeon spoke without permission, an account Owens says she later learned from a source was false, and that the "healthy eater, man of steel neck" line originated with Erica trying to pull an explanation out of the surgeon.

"I don't believe Tyler Robinson was even there"

Ryan asks the direct question: who is Tyler Robinson and what was he doing there. Owens answers with the line that titles the episode: "I don't think Tyler Robinson was there. I think he's a total psy." She says she believes lookalikes were used with everyone in matching outfits, that Robinson may have had a role picking up and dumping clothes behind a Dairy Queen, but that she does not believe he was the person on the staircase or the figure seen on the roof. She says the only eyewitness who reported the roof figure told her he never saw a shot fired and finds it strange the prosecution has not contacted him. She stops short of a full explanation, saying "I don't know what happened, I just know what didn't happen," and states she is confident Robinson did not murder Kirk, though she allows he may have been an accessory, possibly blackmailed.

She points at Robinson's roommate, Lance Twiggs, whom she calls a likely federal asset, saying police questioned him only briefly and let him go, and that his family is baffled and believes he was involved. She raises George Zinn, whom she calls "decoy boy number one," a man who stood up claiming he did it; she says she has it on authority from the hospital he told nurses he was paid to do it but did not know by whom, and she notes a strange 9/11 connection Ryan raises that she cannot fully place.

The motive Owens points to: Israel and a phone call in the Hamptons

Asked why Kirk was killed, Owens says "a thousand percent" it was because he was moving against Israel. She says Kolvet told her a few days after the death, on the phone, "it was supposed to be you," which she took at the time as poorly expressed grief but now questions. Her central unanswered question, she says, is what happened at Bill Ackman's house in the Hamptons on August 5 and 6, a pro Israel summit where Kirk was pressed on his changing views, including by Seth Dylan of Turning Point. She says a smaller dinner followed at which Netanyahu phoned, and that Kolvet, whom she names as her source, told her Netanyahu offered to take Turning Point "to the next level" and Kirk said no. She asks what "the next level" even means for an organization she says was pulling in 150 million a year, and frames the exchange as an offer conditioned on Kirk pledging to preach free markets and capitalism.

She says Kirk not only refused but felt anger toward Netanyahu, citing as evidence that Netanyahu did a run of podcasts that month, naming Patrick Bet David and Brandon Tatum, but not Kirk's show, which she says Kirk refused. She says a member of Kolvet's family orbit told her Kolvet lost millions when Kirk said no, because Kolvet owns a piece of the Charlie Kirk show. She says Erica, confronted with the call, admitted it happened but claimed Netanyahu was only returning a letter Kirk had written in May, which Owens does not believe. She ties the thread to a claim that Trump took 300 million from Miriam Adelson with a condition to annex the West Bank, something she says Kirk and Kolvet told her they witnessed. Ryan says he cannot believe Kolvet said "it was supposed to be you," and asks if it scares her. Owens says what scares her more is the world her children will inherit if good people stay quiet, and delivers the line: "If Charlie Kirk was not safe in the United States of America, nobody is."

Charlie Kirk's premonitions, and her own dreams

Owens says it is not a coincidence she feels pulled to keep this going. She says Kirk told her repeatedly, from the time he signed with Turning Point in 2018, that he had vivid recurring dreams he would die young, in a tragic way, and that his death would be tied to waking up the world, and that she would be the one to fight. At the time, she says, she brushed it off, telling him he was just tired; reading it back now, she says, it haunts her, and she describes having her own vivid dreams since his death that she does not discount. She frames her work not as a responsibility exactly but as "part of my journey," moved by something she says feels bigger than her.

Erica Kirk, and what a grieving widow looks like

Owens is blunt that she believes Erica is, in her words, a clinical psychopath, and stresses she means it not theatrically. She points to behavior she finds impossible to square with grief: that Erica took no family member to Utah, only Turning Point's chief fundraiser Stacy Sheridan, who Owens says recorded the private casket moments; that Erica was back in the office the week after the shooting; that she appeared on a Zoom call laughing about emojis days later and spoke of moving on with "Turning Point 2.0" eleven days after the death. Owens contrasts Erica's memorial speech, which she says told the audience nothing about who Kirk was and functioned as groundwork for the organization, complete with a "go to turningpointusa.com" line, with Vanessa Bryant's eulogy for Kobe, which she says actually revealed the man. She says commentator Nick Fuentes, whom she calls Kirk's arch nemesis, gave a more impassioned response than Kirk's own wife. She remembers Kirk as far more than Turning Point, a gifted mimic with the best sense of humor, and says none of that was allowed into the public story.

A high school threat, and the birth of a media view

After a break, Ryan takes her back to 2007. Owens says a falling out with a close male friend led him to round up a group, including a 12 year old, who left her racist voicemails, one threatening to put a bullet in the back of her head "like Rosa Parks." One of the callers turned out to be the son of the man who was mayor and later governor of Connecticut, which turned it political. She says the NAACP showed up on her school steps without ever speaking to her, the FBI investigated the messages' authenticity, and she left to be homeschooled while her life was ripped away and she became "a micro celebrity victim." She insists the friend was not a racist but a drunk kid who did something terrible, and argues branding a teenager a racist for one night is heavy. She says the episode taught her early that politics is not about solutions, that victimhood is profitable, and that "money is made" finding a victim to put in front of cameras. She adds a recurring theme: people need to be tougher, and being called a slur will not stop anyone from getting from point A to point B.

"They": Zionism, handlers, and gaslighting

Asked who "they" are, Owens says it depends on the topic, then names what she calls the biggest issue in America without question: Israel, and specifically what she calls Zionists behaving like a mafia. She is careful to say she means Zionists, not Jews, and that Judeo Christians can be part of the same apparatus. She cites pressure she says was put on Kirk, on herself, and currently on Megyn Kelly, whom she says was told to attack Tucker Carlson or be destroyed, as her example of "you are with us or against us." She says Michael Jackson and Kanye West tried to say the same thing before her, citing a list Jackson kept and messages Kanye published from his trainer Harley Pasternak, which she reads as a gangster style threat to return him to a psychiatric hold.

She builds this into a theory of "handlers," people she says are placed to gaslight a target back into line even when the target is right. She traces gaslighting itself to Sigmund Freud, whom she calls a fraud and a Satanist, citing The Assault on Truth by Jeffrey Masson, and she connects the line forward to Freud's nephew Edward Bernays and modern public relations. She names her own suspected handlers, chiefly Marissa, the CEO of PragerU, whom she says warned her by text that "I can't protect you" if she continued, and the Daily Wire figures who she says wanted her to apologize to Ben Shapiro for tweeting "genocide is always wrong." She says she stood firm: "I know what I wrote, and I meant every word of it."

From liberal to conservative: Gamergate and Thomas Sowell

Ryan winds back to college. Owens went to the University of Rhode Island for a double major in English and journalism, but says the Sallie Mae collapse cost her a senior year loan and left her with 100,000 dollars in debt. She moved to New York, nannied, then talked her way into a second assistant job at a private equity firm where she rose to what she calls VP of administration over four years, traveled the world, learned Spanish on an eight week program in Costa Rica, and interned at Vogue and other magazines, which she found vicious.

She describes herself as a youth liberal who never voted Democrat, and pins her turn to the Gamergate episode. She says she launched a Kickstarter for a company called Social Autopsy, got a threatening call from Zoe Quinn, and was then smeared by outlets she had trusted, naming The Washington Post reporter Caitlin Dewey, while Breitbart alone reported what she actually said. Losing trust in the press, she says, she listened to a full Trump speech in Dimondale, Michigan unfiltered, heard his pitch to Black America, "what do you have to lose," and found it reasonable, which set her off on a private pursuit that led to Thomas Sowell, whom she calls a private tutor she never met. She says she is and always was a conservative, raised by a conservative grandfather, and defines what she wants to conserve as the traditional family, which she calls the best guard against government.

Trump 2.0, and a sense of betrayal

Ryan says the lead up to the last election was "all lies," and Owens agrees they "got played." She says Trump 2.0 is nothing like Trump 1.0, and attributes the change to a man who wanted to win again by any means after 2020, "including making a deal with the devil." She repeats the claim that Trump took 300 million from Miriam Adelson, mocking his earlier tweets about Sheldon Adelson owning Marco Rubio, and says "you don't take 300 million from people who run Vegas and tell them no." She concludes "Trump is not his own man," and says he probably regrets it and is lashing out because he knows he is not liked. She says Don Jr., whom she knew as a real person and a close friend of Kirk's, shocked her most, and that she offered to back off if Don Jr. would say he believes Kirk's neck stopped a rifle round, which she says he has not done. She says she no longer considers herself a Republican, only a conservative, and is unsure she will ever vote again; Ryan says the same.

Butler: the other assassination

Owens turns to Trump's own near assassination at Butler, Pennsylvania, which she says should be reopened, calling it a successful assassination of Corey Comperatore, the firefighter killed in the crowd, whose daughter she met at the inauguration. She lays out a chain she covered on her show: that Comperatore's best friend, a supervisor at a company that used PETN to perforate oil and gas wells, died a few years earlier when something exploded in a burn barrel and struck his neck, and that she had heard rumors of an illegal explosives ring, followed shortly by Israel's pager attack. She frames all of it as conspiracy that gains weight only because of a lack of answers, and asks why a man who survived an assassination attempt would block the investigation into it. On who is blocking it, she sides with Tucker Carlson over Dan Bongino, citing Carlson's claim that Trump personally blocked it and Don Jr.'s statement that his father is satisfied with the investigation but he is not. Ryan says plainly he would want to know who tried to kill him.

Elections, power, and "more slaves than masters"

Owens says the administration is not working for Trump, that he is powerless, and that Kirk was nearly a solitary voice, alongside JD Vance, warning Trump against getting involved with Iran. She ties Kash Patel, Adelson, and others to Las Vegas, which she calls "a city of blackmail," and reads the wars as being about resources, naming Afghanistan's poppy and the opioid crisis. She says the current show of Trump and Vance turning on Israel feels performative, timed to the midterms, and says she takes Mossad at its word from a 60 Minutes interview that it can infiltrate any organization. Asked why the elite bother maintaining the illusion of elections if they are fake, she relays a "pop quiz" Kirk gave her: the one thing every slave society shares is that there were always more slaves than masters. The fear, she says, is a real revolution they do not control, which is why they stoke stupid divisions, trans bathroom fights, racial strife, to keep people arguing about things that do not matter. She predicts history will be rewritten, citing Jerry Seinfeld saying Palestine does not exist, and says she could not be motivated to vote. On 2028 she dismisses Polymarket's favorites, doubting Vance can escape Iran, and expects the Democrats to run Gavin Newsom. She praises the Catholic revival cautiously, warning against what she calls the "faith grift" after Kirk.

The military, and a message to those who serve

The talk turns hard against military service under current conditions. Owens says the country is occupied, that servicemen are treated as "toy soldiers" and citizens as "tax mules" sending money and children to die for Israel, and she encourages people to use legal means to leave the military, arguing the best laid plans fail without bodies and that Iran showed they could not get people behind it. Ryan, a former Navy SEAL, recounts a Green Beret joking with dead eyes that he was being deployed early "to go fight for Israel," and both agree elite operators do not want the war. They condemn Trump's mockery of Joe Kent, whose wife was killed by al Qaeda, and both name Kent and Thomas Massie as people they respect. Owens says her own sons will not serve in this environment, and that the real difference to make is defending your neighborhood, building smaller communities, and learning to farm.

Career: from a blog to 26 million views

After another break, Ryan traces the career. It began with Degree180, a blog Owens ran where she let a group of women write whatever they wanted. She then launched a YouTube channel in August 2017 as Red Pill Black, filming skits like "Mom, Dad, I'm a Conservative" with her cousin on a cheap camera at her grandfather's house. Her third or fourth video, lifted onto Facebook by an account called Anomaly, hit 26 million views. Fox News and Jesse Watters' team called, then an invitation to David Horowitz's Freedom Center, where she met Kirk and was hired after a panel. On Kirk's advice she renamed the channel to her own name and became Turning Point's communications director.

2015 A mold illness she blames on an HVAC leak nearly ends her ability to think; a year of strict diet brings her back and, she says, humbles her right before public life.
2016 The Gamergate episode and a Trump speech she watches unfiltered pull her rightward; she discovers Thomas Sowell.
2017 Launches YouTube as Red Pill Black; a video hits 26 million views; Fox News calls; she meets Charlie Kirk and joins Turning Point USA at 26.
2018 Kanye West tweets his support and Turning Point lands on the map; she meets George Farmer in London and they are engaged in 18 days; an out of context nationalism clip sparks the first antisemitism accusation.
2019 Leaves Turning Point for PragerU and sells Blexit back to Turning Point; marries George.
~2021 Joins The Daily Wire to podcast full time.
2024 Parts ways with the Daily Wire amid tension over Israel and "Christ is King"; a run of lawsuits follows.
2025 Fully independent. In September, Charlie Kirk is killed, and the investigation she describes here begins to dominate her work.

Figure 3. Owens's arc as she tells it, from a near ruinous illness to the independent show she runs today. Years marked with a tilde are approximate. The dates align with her account in the interview and the broadly reported record.

Building Turning Point, and the maroon shirts

Owens describes early Turning Point as a fun startup under 10 million a year, living out of a suitcase, hitting every Fox News slot from the 4 a.m. hour on, chasing the call to do Laura Ingraham or Sean Hannity, eating endless Chipotle. She says traveling together made her and Kirk close in a "coming of age" way, neither well known, both idealistic about changing college campuses, and she recounts the morning Kanye tweeted her as the moment everything exploded. She says Kirk's idol was Rush Limbaugh, whom he came to know, and that it disgusts her to see what she considers Kirk's show has become, which she says is why it is not doing well: "nothing that's not real will survive."

At her editor's prompting she addresses the maroon shirts. Owens says she was the one who flagged that unusual numbers of men, all alone, wore maroon shirts to Kirk's September 10 event, that she was laughed at, but that military men later told her a "color of the day" is used to identify each other during operations. She says she has footage of one man handing another a maroon shirt after the shot, and reads it as evidence of coordination, while granting she knows little about the military.

Leaving Turning Point: a scandal and an offer

Owens says Turning Point changed after the Kanye tweet put it on the map: money came in, PR people and Stacy Sheridan were brought around, and it corporatized, with "the bigger the check, the more control." The break, she says, came when someone pulled an out of context clip from a London event, stripping the question so it looked like she praised Hitler, when she says she was arguing Hitler was a globalist, not a nationalist. She says a Jewish group and the Simon Wiesenthal Center condemned her and donors pressured Kirk to pull away, which she now reads as an engineered scandal to split them. Into that moment came PragerU with more money and, she says, a fix: CEO Marissa took her to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, where men she describes spoke only Hebrew, after which the scandal "went away." She says she did not appreciate how strange that was at the time, and now reads PragerU, whose leaders she says were openly Zionist and, in Marissa's case, former Mossad, as a way to keep a rising organization "within our" control. She stresses she had a good working relationship there and that they were always honest about who they were.

Meeting George Farmer

Owens tells the story of meeting her husband as its own small miracle. In the same stretch Kirk was dreaming of dying, she says, she felt an inexplicable pull to get to the UK, eventually booking flights on Kirk's card to force a reason. At a Turning Point UK event she spoke, spotted George Farmer in the audience, and, she says, simply knew he was her husband. He had already texted his best friend "I'm going to marry Candace Owens." A missed late night text nearly convinced her he had a girlfriend, but a three hour phone call sealed it; he proposed on a plane before they had kissed. They were engaged 18 days after meeting and have been married seven years, with baby number five on the way. Farmer, whose father was once treasurer of the Conservative Party and involved in Brexit, converted to Catholicism in his last year of university, a thread that would later pull her in too. Asked the secret to marriage, she says it is simply loving and being fascinated by the person you married.

Marriage, kids, and "thank you Daily Wire"

Owens says her life began when she married and had children, that she is blessed with easy pregnancies, and that watching Farmer become a father unlocked something in him. She credits him with surviving the Daily Wire year, saying he learned podcasting, ad sales, and contracts overnight. Then she surprises Ryan with gratitude to The Daily Wire "for ripping the carpet from under my feet in the most glorious way possible," framing her firing as God throwing her a lifeboat that let her work from home and be present with her kids. She recounts building Blexit alongside Kirk to reach Black voters, then selling it back to Turning Point when she chose podcasting over running a nonprofit, and she speaks warmly of her old cohost Brandon Tatum, a former police officer she still calls a brother despite their sharp disagreements over Israel and Kirk's death, saying you are less of a person if you let politics pick your friends.

The Daily Wire fallout

Owens gives a long account of her time at The Daily Wire and its founder Jeremy Boreing, whom she describes as running the company like a cult, a "cartoon character" she says had his hair plugs washed and makeup done to sit in his office as CEO and once roamed the halls with a baseball bat. She says the first pressure point was the Kanye "Defcon 3" episode, when the company wanted her to denounce him and she refused, telling them she is a more formidable friend than enemy. She says they responded by shaving roughly five years off her contract, costing her millions, and that a year later, after October 7, they grew "wacky," accusing her of secretly plotting with Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson to bring the company down, which she flatly denies.

She says she was fired by email listing some thirty reasons, including a cash register sound effect that played on another show while Ben Shapiro was discussed, and that Boreing built a stage and a video presentation of the firing, later released online. She describes the "Christ is King" episode, saying Andrew Klavan did an hour disparaging her during Lent through a contract loophole that classed him as a contractor, that it backfired and cost subscribers, and that the company then sued her, entering her Twitter likes as evidence of disparagement. She extends the same account to Brett Cooper, then about 22, saying the company tormented her for wanting to leave, sued her over a blue shirt, and, in the detail Owens calls the most damaging, offered Cooper's maid of honor and best friend Reagan more money than Cooper had ever made. Owens says she was sued for defending Cooper and would have paid the penalty proudly. She traces the pattern back further, alleging the Michelle Fields and Corey Lewandowski episode was, as told to her, thought up to help launch the Daily Wire and peel subscribers from Breitbart, and calls the whole thing "the story of Macbeth." She argues arbitration law lets powerful men legally stalk women through endless litigation, and says she wants to change it.

Megan Kelly, bots, and "genocide is always wrong"

Owens says the same machine is now aimed at Megyn Kelly, pressured to denounce her and Tucker Carlson despite barely knowing her, and she describes what she calls coordinated bot campaigns, thousands of fake emails sent to venues where she is booked, which she ties to FARA filings she says reveal Israeli linked accounts. She praises Kelly for telling the truth about the pressure she says Kirk was under from Israel at the end. She returns to her "genocide is always wrong" tweet, saying it was aimed at Congressman Brian Mast for wearing an IDF uniform into Congress, not at Israel, yet she was told to apologize. Ryan reads aloud a tweet he attributes to Israel's national security minister Itamar Ben Gvir saying "all of Lebanon must burn," and Owens calls it the honest face of a government she says is run by psychopaths. The two dispute the meaning of the word goyim, with Owens insisting it means "cattle" and citing the Epstein emails and Congressman Ro Khanna not knowing the term. She extends her history into claims about Armand Hammer, Julius Hammer, the Romanovs, and the USS Liberty, which she calls a pattern of false flag attacks.

Peter Thiel, Epstein, and the occult

Ryan poses what he says was the most viral question, gathered by having Claude scrape the internet: a leaked membership of Dialogue, a secret invitation only society reportedly founded by Peter Thiel in 2006. Owens's instinct on Thiel is a hard no, noting his name is an anagram for "the reptile," his appearances in the Epstein material, and a story Dave Rubin told her about a detached scene with Thiel's newborn on his private island. Asked the single most disturbing real thing she has found, she names organized pedophilia tied to what she calls sex magic and Aleister Crowley, pointing to the occult history of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory through Crowley's protege Jack Parsons. She says the Epstein revelations should end anyone's belief that the country's real divisions are left versus right or Black versus white, and states she believes Kirk's killing was an occult ritual, describing a Freemason text she was sent showing a pentagram and concluding Kirk was seated inside one.

Freemasonry, Catholicism, and Russia

Owens grounds her occult claims in a book from her book club, The Secret History of America by Nicholas Hagger, which she says traces Freemasonry from Solomon's Temple through Francis Bacon and Paris to the American founders, and the infiltration of the Knights Templar by Adam Weishaupt and the Illuminati. She reads it all as an ancient war on the Catholic Church, which she says holds the history these groups want buried, and says America was designed to be kept "fat, happy, and young" and anti Catholic. This, she says, is what drew her to Catholicism, following her husband, and to what she found in Russia: monasteries, old churches, and artifacts older than America that she says stirred her soul. She argues communism and Zionism are "brother and sister," both bent on destroying history and beauty, and links Catholicism's emphasis on beauty, truth, and goodness to why she believes societies fall when they stop aiming at them. She says every misconception Americans hold about Russia is wrong, that it is clean, safe, and warm toward Americans, and contrasts it with a neglected Washington DC.

UAPs, death threats, and a closing prayer

Owens calls the sudden wave of UAP and alien disclosure a distraction, timed to the Epstein story and to Pam Bondi talking up the Dow, and says she personally suspects the phenomenon is demonic entities. She says she gets death threats daily and takes them seriously, noting a person is in jail for trying to kill her, and points listeners toward the history of Chabad Lubavitch and the Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson. Ryan gives her a Sig Sauer P365 from a contact there, and recounts his own show's episode on Roblox, where developers recreated mass shootings, including Sandy Hook, prompting Sig Sauer to demand its weapons be removed from the game. For her final recommendations, Owens names Phil Tourney of the USS Liberty, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un, and Kanye. She closes by thanking her fans and her team, invokes the biblical Job as taught to her by her husband, and leads a closing prayer for the children suffering in the world and for their enemies.

Key takeaways

Owens's central claim about Charlie Kirk is that she does not believe Tyler Robinson was the shooter, or necessarily present, and that the public account of a rifle wound to the neck does not match what she says she observed. Every part of this is her stated position; investigators charged Robinson, and her explosive theory has no public forensic support.
She locates the motive in Israel, arguing Kirk had turned against Benjamin Netanyahu and refused an offer she attributes to a single source, Andrew Kolvet.
She frames much of her adult life as a series of attempts by what she calls a Zionist apparatus to control or gaslight her, from Turning Point donors to PragerU to The Daily Wire.
The biography underneath the politics is consistent: an illness that humbled her before fame, a viral video that launched her, a friendship with Kirk she calls a coming of age, and a marriage she treats as the center of her life.
Her worldview is explicitly religious. She reads current events through Catholicism, Freemasonry, and the occult, and treats beauty, truth, and goodness as the pillars a society needs.
She and Ryan share a deep distrust of institutions, of the election system, and of military service under the current government, and both say they may never vote again.

Chapters

0:00:00 Welcome and Introduction 0:13:34 Early Life and Family Values 0:24:38 Defamation Lawsuit and Speaking Out 0:38:32 Crime Scene Questions and Investigation 0:53:23 Missing Evidence 1:10:10 Charlie Kirk's Legacy 1:25:04 Threats, Victimhood and Political Culture 1:40:00 Gaslighting, Trust and Media 1:56:13 From Liberal to Conservative 2:11:14 Assassination Questions and Political Distrust 2:24:15 Elections, Power and the Future 2:37:07 Early Career and Turning Point USA 2:53:05 Leaving Turning Point and Public Controversies 3:20:01 Daily Wire Fallout and Industry Pressure 3:36:57 Lawsuits, Censorship and Public Smears 3:52:43 Politics and Public Backlash 4:05:40 Epstein, Elite Networks and UAP Distractions 4:20:42 Threats, Faith and Independence

Notable quotes

"I just shut that entire part of my life off. And people are very surprised by that. But it truly doesn't impact me. I know who I am. So I don't have to go to the internet to learn about who I am." Owens, on criticism, 0:03:40
"I don't wake up every day wondering if the president thinks I'm pretty. That's just not a part of my life." Owens, on the Time cover, 0:08:46
"I don't think Tyler Robinson was there. I think he's a total psy." Owens, 1:04:10
"I feel confident stating that Tyler Robinson did not murder Charlie Kirk." Owens, 1:05:20
"It was supposed to be you." Owens, quoting what she says Andrew Kolvet told her days after the killing, 1:08:45
"BB offered to take Turning Point USA to the next level. And Charlie said no." Owens, 1:09:58
"If Charlie Kirk was not safe in the United States of America, nobody is." Owens, 1:14:29
"Genocide is always wrong. Still stand by that." Owens, 1:46:30
"Trump is not his own man, plain and simple." Owens, 2:09:30
"There were always more slaves than masters." Owens, quoting a "pop quiz" she says Charlie Kirk gave her, 2:25:40
"I would want to know who's trying to kill me." Ryan, on the Butler investigation, 2:19:35
"I'm just the happiest person. I could never go back to working for someone other than my husband." Owens, on being independent, 4:37:00

Resources mentioned

Turning Point USA, the organization Owens helped build as communications director
PragerU and The Daily Wire, her later employers
Blexit, the outreach project she built and sold back to Turning Point
The Assault on Truth by Jeffrey Masson, her source on Sigmund Freud
Sigmund Freud and the Jewish Mystical Tradition by David Bakan, the follow up she recommends
The Secret History of America by Nicholas Hagger, her book club read on Freemasonry
The work of Thomas Sowell, which she credits with her political turn
The USS Liberty incident and survivor Phil Tourney
The Shawn Ryan Show episodes on Roblox and on Father Ripperger that Owens references
Show sponsors read during the episode: SBIR Advisors, Armra Colostrum, ROKA, Stopbox, Mars by Mike, and Sig Sauer

Where it stands

This section separates what is established in the public record from what is contested and what is Owens's speculation. Everything in the reconstruction above is attributed to the speaker who said it; this is where the claims meet the record, neutrally.

Established public record. Charlie Kirk was shot in the neck and killed on September 10, 2025 at Utah Valley University in Orem, Utah. Tyler Robinson, 22, was arrested and charged with aggravated murder; prosecutors allege he fired from a rooftop. Corey Comperatore was killed at the July 13, 2024 Butler rally, where the shooter was Thomas Matthew Crooks, and documented questions about security failures remain. Owens and The Daily Wire parted ways in March 2024 amid public tension over Israel and her "Christ is King" statements. These are matters of record.

Contested claims. Owens's theory that Kirk was killed by a PETN shape charge hidden in his microphone, that Robinson was a decoy or not present, that the crime scene was deliberately repaved to hide explosives, and that a Netanyahu phone call preceded the killing, are her allegations. They rest largely on her own observation of footage and photos and on single sources she names, chiefly Andrew Kolvet, and they are not supported by the public investigation or any released forensic finding. Her characterizations of named individuals, including Erika Kirk and Jeremy Boreing, are her stated opinions and are disputed by those she describes.

Her speculation and framing. Owens's broader thesis, that Kirk's death was an occult ritual, that Israel and a "Zionist mafia" direct American media and government, that "handlers" are placed to gaslight targets, and that UAPs are demonic distractions, is offered as her interpretation, not as documented fact. On one recurring point of language, the Hebrew word goy, plural goyim, literally means "nation" or "people" and is commonly used to mean a non Jew; Owens's claim that it means "cattle" is a disputed characterization rather than its dictionary meaning.

What Owens states	Public record and status	Verdict
Tyler Robinson was not the shooter and may not have been present	Robinson, 22, was arrested and charged with aggravated murder; prosecutors allege he fired from a rooftop	Contested by Owens; no public evidence supports her version
Kirk was killed by a PETN shape charge in his microphone	Investigators describe a rifle shot to the neck; no explosive finding is in the public record	Owens's theory, unverified
Netanyahu phoned Kirk offering to take Turning Point "to the next level"	Not confirmed anywhere in the public record; Owens cites Andrew Kolvet as her source	Single sourced account
Owens left The Daily Wire over Israel and "Christ is King"	Owens and the Daily Wire parted ways in March 2024 amid public tension over Israel	Broadly consistent with the record
Corey Comperatore was killed at Butler and the investigation is unsatisfying	Comperatore was killed July 13, 2024; the shooter was Thomas Matthew Crooks; security questions are documented	Death and open questions established; the PETN link is her speculation
"Goyim" means cattle	The Hebrew word goy/goyim literally means "nation" or "people," commonly used to mean non Jew	Owens's characterization is disputed

Figure 4. Owens's claims set against the public record. The green rows are broadly consistent with what is documented; the amber rows are her contested claims or speculation, presented so a reader can tell one from the other.

Full transcript

[music] Candace Owens, welcome to the show. >> I'm so excited to do this. [sighs] >> You and me both. >> You've done everybody but me. >> Well, that doesn't sound good, >> right? I've been just like [laughter] being completely left out. >> Well, dude, I've been nervous to meet you. >> Really? >> [ __ ] yeah. I'm nervous to meet you. >> I feel like I'm nervous. >> I don't want to get on your bad side. >> Me? [laughter] me. Little old me. >> Sounds like there's some rumors out there about me. I got to clear up. I'm so nice. I'm so friendly, you know. >> Well, me and uh our mutual friend Dana had a lot of conversations. I was like, ah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to wind up on her bad side. She always spoke fairly highly of you. So, >> it's interesting to think about that like what people think about you before they meet you because obviously as you know there's always going to be like the the caricature, you know what I mean? And so we obviously have to rely on I don't know articles, what you hear, what's happening. >> And I guess there's always that moment where you're like, I wonder if it meets what I think I know about her. >> It didn't. >> Way better. >> I'm glad >> obviously. So, yeah, it was uh man, I'm glad we had dinner that night. >> Yeah, it was such a great dinner. I mean, your wife's amazing and your story is amazing and I was always keen to do your show. I was like, "Wow, he's right here. We're like living in the same town. We were almost neighbors and uh you just do great stuff, >> man. I really wish that would have happened." >> Yeah, the neighbor thing. [laughter] >> I know. Almost. Who knows? Maybe in the future. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, we got a lot to cover today. >> We do, >> dude. Lot going on, man. >> No kidding. But let me start you off with an introduction. Not that you need one, right? Candace Owens, you're a political commentator, author, and independent journalist known for challenging mainstream narratives and tackling controversial issues. Over the past decade, you've become one of the most influential voices in all of media, building a massive audience through your commentary and investigative reporting. Today, through your independent platform, you continue to cover politics, culture, and current events while questioning official narratives and sparking national debate. And most importantly, you're a Catholic. [laughter] >> Most importantly, I am a Catholic, a mother, a wife. >> That's right. And so, before we get into your life story and all the other stuff that we're going to talk about, couple things to get through. I have a Patreon account. Do you have a Patreon? I was on Patreon and I don't think I am anymore, but I know all about Patreon. >> Right on. >> Yeah. >> Well, we're on there and um they're the reason I get to sit down with you today. So, they get the opportunity to ask every single guest a question. So, this is from Kim Turner. Candace, you faced intense public criticism, particularly particularly accusations of disloyalty to the black community and the Christian community for holding independent views. How do you maintain your composure and stay grounded in who you are when those attacks get personal? >> You know, I don't know that I pay too much attention to the criticism that's lobbed at me anymore only because it it's constant. And I if you if I spent every day worried about what people other people were thinking about me or allowing them to define who I am, I wouldn't get out of bed. And I've got four toddlers at home. So I just shut that entire part of my life off. And people are very surprised by that. But it truly um doesn't impact me. I know who I am. So I don't have to go to the internet to learn about who I am. >> You you legit it doesn't bother you at all. >> No, it genuinely doesn't bother me at all. I'm I'm definitely I think battleh hardened. I think over time uh maybe when I was just getting started I felt I don't know maybe a twinge of that's not fair, that's not true. But when you have substance in your life, like real substance and you're not swimming in your own insecurities. Meaning when I first got started, I wasn't married. I didn't have uh you know, I didn't have my family. I didn't have kids relying on me. So, life is just so much more like substant now. So, real. >> Wow, man. I I I mean, I'm a lot better at it than when I first started, but man, this [ __ ] bothers me. >> Yeah. And then I see like the Time magazine cover thing that Trump posted about you. >> Oh gosh. >> Tweeting about you. >> Yeah, that was a moment. >> All of your enemies. You have a lot of enemies. >> I I can't even believe that I forgot about the Trump thing. The Trump tweet. You forgot about it. >> Yeah. Until you just mentioned it, it's that it's it's not even something that I even think about. It was so strange. It was so strange. I was in Italy getting confirmed by a cardinal and that I was so excited about it. And it was just it's weird because it's the president of the United States and it's something that maybe you would expect to see if you're in high school and people are trying to like find ways to hurt you, but you know when the president of United States is like you're fat, you're ugly, you know that it just feels weird. It was just very strange. >> Well, it is weird. >> It's weird. Ojectively, I thought it was very strange. And I don't have >> Did he forget you he started a war? >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Isn't that a little more important than [ __ ] generating AI Time magazine cover photos >> about podcasters? >> And beyond that, just kind of basically saying you're ugly is just there's something so elementary about it. >> I'm just not in high school. That's not something that I wake up every day and wonder does the president that I think I'm hot or not. There's something about it like that's just like okay he's got a type and he said Breijit Mcronone's hotter than me he's allowed it's a free country you know >> it was that was definitely a moment where I was going this is this is a some strange enemies to have >> did you find humor in it >> genuinely at the time I was there was just so much going on I was in Italy and my phone started blowing up and I was so excited about the eve of my confirmation that and I had just had this wonderful dinner with um my priest and I had a meeting with the cardinal about the confirmation that I just turned my phone off because I didn't want to even let in whatever energy that was as nope you're not ruining my day and I was like I felt like I was like on the eve of my wedding or something and there was there was too much spiritual goodness that was surrounding me I guess is the best way to put it. uh we had planned that trip for a very long time for me to go to Italy and get confirmed and I just wasn't going to allow that to be a a memory and so I just was like I'll deal with that when I get back and such a strange thing to be in a place where you're putting the president United States on hold [laughter] everyone the guest was waiting for a response and I was like >> I don't have time for this [laughter] >> that was it was I don't have time for this I'm really excited and it's this is my wedding day so to speak and that was that and then we had a fantastic time in Italy. And then when I got home and the podcast was back on, I was like, "Okay, now where where's the child? Time to address the child." I here, you know, shame on you. This is not a good look for you. And I I don't have that. I don't wake up every day wondering if the president thinks I'm pretty. That's just not a part of my life. >> Well, as many enemies as you have, they [sighs] they give you a lot of attention. >> They do. >> I think uh I think it helps you a lot more than it hurts you, which is pretty cool. Definitely don't think that a moment like that empowers Trump. That's what I would say. I think it diminishes him in a way. Uh, you know, you shouldn't relinquish your power like that as the president. You know, to dig up a photo of me when I was sick. And I shared that photo, by the way. Um, >> are you serious? >> Yeah, that that photo is real. I shared it early on in politics uh to talk about I I went through a really tough time when uh what was it 2015 I got sick from mold illness and I never thought I was going to be the same person. It was a a leak an HVAC leak that happened in my building and it destroyed my insides. I mean it started um what's known as candidiosis growth in my body. I had I mean overnight my whole I felt like my whole life was taken from me. I couldn't think. And if you don't know what toxic mold illness is, it's almost impossible to describe, but I I had head to toe overnight eczema. I had never had eczema. Um, athletes foot. My eyes were red and just kept pussing. And I didn't know what it was. I didn't know what was happening, why it was happening. My hair fell out. And uh in the scheme of everything that was going on, I the worst part of it, forgetting the physical and not recognizing yourself in the mirror because I mean I could share worse photos than he shared. I was like if you want them all, this is actually look I look pretty good relative to what was going on head to toe. Um but the worst part was my my brain. It I the only way to describe it is you can't think. You can't it's almost like being in a permanent if you ever had like brain fog. Imagine like the most intense brain fog you could ever have. And it just physically exhausted me. So I was just in bed all day every day. And the only way to beat back that sort of mold illness, I mean, they can give you temporary pills, whatever. It's through diet. Like the most regimented diet because sugar is what feeds it. >> And so I it took me a year um to and I never thought I was going to be able to be myself again. And that was the hardest part is not being able to think. and I have relied I I didn't realize how much I had, you know, relied on my ability to reply and I loved writing. And so it was I just was I remember just getting on my hands and knees and praying bargaining really actually with God, which isn't um something that you should do. But I was like, I don't even care about the physical stuff. I don't care if my hair never grows back. I don't care if I have these patches all over my face forever, if they never clear up. Um I don't care if I have athletes but once a week. like please just let me think like please just clear the cloud in my brain. And I think about it because it was right before I became a public figure. And I just now have the perspective that I was truly humbled. Like truly humbled before and never thought I was going to look the same. like and I I never even realized how much easier um like how much I had relied on being like generally uh good-looking, you know, to kind of get through life. Like there's so I didn't want to see anybody. Um and my I only saw my cousin my cousin who still works with me today. I would not go out of the house and cuz I was sleeping mostly the whole time and anyway and it was a a long process, a very strict diet. Obviously, I got so skinny because you you kind of have to starve it. Yeah, you kind of have to starve it. So, anything that has sugar, even fruit feeds it. Uh, and so, but in the retrospect, I learned how to cook everything from scratch. >> We were I ate I learned how to eat the best ingredients. I learned about ingredients and I became really passionate about that. I mean, that's why I garden today. So, yeah, I was humbled. I was humbled right before I got into the public sphere. And so I actually look back on it quite fondly. And I think it kept me away from a lot of the vanity that comes with politics and publicity >> cuz I know it can just just like that be taken away from me. >> Man. Wow. >> So he took you at your lowest point and exploited it all over the internet. >> Yeah. And then I shared it with everybody. I was like, I've got worse pictures. I mean I was sick. you. I don't know. I guess you can go around and find people when they have cancer and lose their hair and put them on a Time magazine. I was very sick, but I'm really proud of it. It's It's such a weird thing, but I I shared it myself. And so, I think what happened was a lot of times with his team, they just look for things on the internet and they're trying to be fast and respond and they didn't know where the source of that photo was. And it was me. I shared it back when I first entered into politics and talked about, you know, a tough time in my life and uh yeah, I'm still I'm still just very proud of it and gratefully, thank God I I got everything back, not just my brain, you know, my hair came back, my skin cleared. Um and yeah, I just I'm very grateful. >> Well, I want to do a live story on you. Actually, one more thing. Everybody gets a gift. >> What am I getting? I feel like everybody gives a gift, but I don't have a life that's cool enough to match all of these gifts. I actually love gummy bears. Are these actually elite? >> Yeah, >> they are elite gummy bears cuz you can't like put vigilance elite gummy bears on here if they're not elite. >> They're elite. >> Okay, >> rip them open. >> I'm going to have one. I'll be the judge of that. >> All right. >> All right. Here we go. I love gummy bears. >> Good. >> Yeah. I'm going to They smell really good. I will say that. [laughter] They actually smell really good. I love gummy bears. Of course, not with bread. >> What do you think? >> I'm not just saying this cuz I'm on your show. They are really good. Why are they good? >> Well, cuz they're made in the USA. >> That's it. Michigan. >> America, baby. >> That's right. >> 250 years of elite gummy bears. >> Yeah. Yeah. But all right, Candace, I want to do a life story on you and then towards the end we'll get into all the stuff you've been digging into for about the past >> year or two. >> Mhm. >> So, where'd you grow up? >> So, I was born in New York in White Plains. That's actually where my mother uh grew up mostly and she went to high school there. So, a lot of my family's in in that area, Ry White Plains area. And then I went to school and had my formative years in Stamford, Connecticut, which is just kind of outside of the city. >> It's kind of like if you have a job in the city and want to live in the suburbs, you move to Greenwich, Stamford, New Kanan, Fairfield County area. >> Okay. >> How many siblings do you have? >> Three. I have a brother and I have two sisters. >> What your parents do? Well, my dad was a plumber growing up and my mother worked at a chiropractic facility sort of as you like the manager and did a lot of the billing for them. >> Okay. You guys tied? >> Yes. >> Tight family? >> Yes. Like well my parents are divorced. So I mean I guess you'd have to ask independently everybody's relationships but um my sisters, my and my siblings, we are very close. Um, you have to have people, especially in the life that I live, who really deeply know you. And so, in the morning time, every morning, I get up when I work out, call my sisters, you know, and talk about everything. My sister, my little sister right now, she's saving up like some extra money for her wedding. And so, she's actually helping me right now like sort through the tips box. So, uh, we weren't close growing up, though. Like I mean me and my sisters, we're a year each of us. We're a year and a half apart. So we just bludgeoned each other, you know, over everything pretty much. >> Where you fall in the lineup? >> In the middle. Can't you tell? Can't you tell? Middle child syndrome. It's a thing. It's a real thing. 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I was obsessed with my grandfather and he just was always doing stuff in the backyard, you know, one of those old school guys. I think of my grandfather as having um like car grease on his hands, you know, that's what makes me think of my granddad. Like car oil on his hands. his hands were always blackened and he always had a cloth and was wiping them and uh somehow always had cash in his pocket and would you know give me and my sisters cash and uh I was always just kind of fluffing around in the yard with my grandpa like in the woods doing stuff. So my sisters and I were like cutting worms, climbing trees. I was definitely I would say a tomboy. I just liked to be outside, which I can I think is very new to this generation and everything's behind a screen. But we were active. We were very active. Jump roping, bike riding. Granddad taught me how to ride a bike. Remember the day it happened. Um [snorts] yeah, I I loved it being outside. >> Why did you move in with your grandparents at age eight? >> Because we were poor. [laughter] So my um >> Did your parents move in with you? >> Yes. And it was the house was too small for all of us to fit into it, but we made it work. My grandfather came to the apartment that we were living in which was in this really sort of dilapitated um building and it had roaches. I was not uh a you're not aware of those things so much when you're a kid. >> And so we just knew that every maybe it was once a month. I couldn't even tell you. Maybe it was less or more, but we'd have to sort of take all the pots and pans out of the cabinets because the exterminator would have to come and spray because there was roaches, you know, and that's not my mother kept a very clean apartment actually, but it it doesn't matter in those sorts of environments. You live like your neighbors live. And so my grandfather just came and said, "I don't want my grandbabies growing up like this." because he worked really hard in his life starting in a sharecropping farm um and ending where he did when my grandfather died. He went back and actually purchased the sharecropping farm in the south. >> That's where he retired. >> Uh but he was living up up north at that time in Connecticut and they had a middle-ass house and he just said, "I don't want my grandbabies to grow up like this." So, we moved into their house and my sister and I lived in the attic, you know, kind of he put carpet down in the attic and turned it into a room, which I thought was so cool because I used to love the show Hey Arnold and Hey Arnold had like an attic, too. It's very, very good show. And um my grand my mother and father were in the basement, so we just had to just kind of all fit in the house. And it was the best thing I think that could have happened for my life. It's the single greatest thing that probably changed my life was moving in with my grandparents and sort of being under my grandfather's um patriarchy, if you will. >> Is he still alive? >> No, my granddad passed a couple of years ago. It's really hard. >> Has he seen the rise of Candace? >> Yeah, granddad. There was one of these really viral moments uh where I went to go testify at Congress and um my granddad was in the behind me. It's a It's a great clip. And when Tedlu says something, I don't know what he I think he played a clip of me uh and tried to apply it, but I supported Adolf Hitler or something. And you see my granddad in the back. He's like, "No, she did not say that." Like, "No, she did not say that." [laughter] And I was like, "Granddad was going to get up and give Tedl a beatd down. You don't talk. Nobody talks to his grandbaby like that. Tedloo, calm down." >> [laughter] >> And it's such a um I'm so happy that that was captured actually on camera because shortly after that uh his mind started to go and his memory started to go. I mean and so it's just one of those last memories that I have of my granddad. He was always behind me whether it was teaching me how to ride a bike and letting go or like behind me at you know in Congress. I just like my grandparents were just absolutely amazing. >> Wow. What would you say to him if he were here today? I got to say everything I I needed to say to my granddad, you know. >> That's good. Good for you. >> Yeah. Cuz my grandmother died unexpectedly and so I made a very conscious decision to slow down and make sure that I got to say everything to my granddad. He knows how much I loved him. >> Good for you. >> So, you're with your grandparents all the way through high school >> until 10th grade and then we kind of moved into a condo. But I mean all of my formative years are with my grandparents always being around and yeah it was it was uh we wake up in the morning, granddad made breakfast, you know, my grandmother would make dinner and it was my grandfather just had a lot of rules for us to follow because he grew up in the south and it was just like very structured and my work ethic comes from my grandfather without question. had a job since he was 5 years old like laying out tobacco to dry on a sharecropping farm. So he just got after the day every day. >> Wow. Wow. [clears throat] How old were you when your parents got divorced? >> 23. >> Oh, 23. >> They got I mean my mom and my dad were just one of those couples that >> Yeah. 23. >> How long were they married? >> Oh gosh. I mean, they got married in 93. So, they got married after I was born. And then they just were like, there was just a lot of fighting. You know, it wasn't it wasn't one of those good relationships. And then when we were all out of the house, they called and said they were getting a divorce. And at that at that point, I remember saying to my dad, "No, no, no, no. Now you guys should stay together. Now, now it should be until death do you part. Now, now that we're out of the house, you're you're [laughter] going to separate. I remember exactly where I was walking, exactly which street I was walking on in uh New York State when I got the call. And yeah, they um it's it's it was an interesting thing because I got to see in my house two totally different examples of how to live. My grandparents were very conservative and they my grandfather met my grandmother when he was 17 and they stayed married until her dying day. And then I had the opposite example where the generation beneath my grandparents, despite how they had raised them, they were just so different. Like all of my dad's siblings had been divorced and this it was a new culture. And I remember when granddad got sick um or started getting sick, I was helping him uh fix up his house and we talked about it and I was like, how how do how do people who are raised in so conservatively kind of have I guess more liberal viewpoints on marriage? And my granddad said something and he was right. It's just the way he delivered it which is so funny. But he just said you know it was those darn hippies. He just says the hipp the hippies ruined everything. And there's it's a valid point. You I've done some research and I'm like, granddad was right. They kind of brought in this sort of sex, love, rock and roll, love who you love. Everything became so much more uh temporal, I guess. And I am just so my grandfather's child. Like my viewpoint, I'm I'm going backward. Everybody wants to be progressive. I'm like, I want to be regressive. I want to I want some of that stuff that granddad had. >> What did you want to be as a child? What did you want to become occupational? What was the first thing I wanted to be? An archaeologist. >> An archaeologist. >> Yes. I was really into like as soon as I learned about Egypt, I had this weird fascination with Egypt and just I don't know just I remember in third grade wanting to be like when I grew up I want to be an archaeologist. That was my first thing I can remember wanting to be. And then you'll probably say appropriately I then was convinced I was going to be a lawyer. I wanted to be a lawyer. [laughter] >> Definitely say that. >> And I would have made a really good lawyer. You still would. [laughter] >> It's never too late. >> It would probably come in handy for you. >> It would. I actually kind of feel like I am a lawyer in many ways. I get sued so much and I really enjoy talking to my lawyer. He's just become such a friend and understanding it. I love to read the documents. I mean, other people getting sued. I made a whole series on the Blake Lively series. I do have a a love for legal work, but I don't have to be sued to love it. I have to get that straight in my mind. You don't have to be sued to appreciate law. Um, but yeah. >> How many times do you think you've been sued? >> Too many. Like I mean in the last few years it's been a lot, man. It's been like I feel like the Daily Wire was like three episodes that happened which felt like a lot. And then I have obviously the Breijit one which was a lot. And then I got pulled into the Blake Lively one, which isn't really like being involved. And then they tried to pull me into some Kanye one, not being the person who was sued, but um yeah. So I just kind of got familiar with the people that were serving the paperwork. They're great guys, by the way. The the servers, they're fantastic. They show up in like motorcycles like, "We love you." Like, you know, and we're going to charge the other guys more. They're amazing. They're they're absolutely amazing. And then this Brian Harpole one, which I'm I'm being sued because of your show, you know. my show. >> Yeah. You know, I should sue you. He Brian's a lawyer. [laughter] I'm going to drag you into my lawsuit. >> We have a We have a We have a running Every time the FedEx truck drives around here, we're like, "Oh, [ __ ] Here it comes. [laughter] I don't even open them anymore. I just send them to >> So funny." >> Yeah. You know, um Yeah. Yeah. Well, when Brian Harpole sued me, his lawyer wrote this amazing story which was just made entirely no sense where he said that the reason basically they were trying to make the argument he's not a public figure which is very important. You have to establish in defamation are you a public figure or are you a private person and obviously he made himself a public figure by going on this podcast and interjecting himself into this Charlie narrative. So they were trying to argue that he's not a public figure and he basically said he was forced to become a public figure because of me is the like I'm the reason he went on the he had to go on the Sean Ryan show to clear his name and I never covered him on my show once. Never spoke his name on my show before he went on your show cuz it was >> so hold on. He's claiming he came here because to counter your narrative. Yeah. >> And but you weren't talking about him. never said one word about him >> or the security apparatus because I knew them and my mind just wasn't there at all until he did your interview and it was so disastrous in my view and I think also the view of all the people who watched it according to the comments there was just something off about it and I went whoa he's answering questions weird the stuff that he's saying doesn't really make sense but that's their argument they're trying to make because they're trying to get the court to see him as a private figure who only had to come out and do the Shawn Ryan show, the biggest one of the biggest podcasts in the world, defend himself against me. And I'm like, well, that's going to be a tricky argument considering I never spoke about you ever on my show until you did the show. >> But wait a minute, what is what exactly? >> He's what is he suing you for? >> Uh, defamation, which is difficult for me to comprehend because it's it's so in the category of opinion. in like the first three pages of a lawsuit, he's just kind of calling me an anti-semite. And I don't know what that has to do with the lawsuit at all. He's not Jewish, last I checked. Uh neither was Charlie Kirk. But he then moves on by saying that I defamed him because I said that the security team was incompetent. And so he's blaming me for a loss of revenue to his business because I said he's incompetent. Now, I would generally say if you have a business and your job is to provide security and your client dies on the job, that might be the reason you're not getting many clients. I look, I'm not I'm not saying I'm a genius, but I don't think people will be lining up to hire the same security people that guarded Charlie Kirk on September 10th. But he thinks it's actually because of me calling him among any among many other things, calling him incompetent, asking questions about why they didn't have people on the rooftop that day, saying that like the support they supplied to Charlie's neck was inadequate. I mean, just things that you can see with your own eyes as they're handing him to the car. How they're like holding him to the car. Him saying on your show that they didn't provide CPR because he had to stop the bleeding. I have questions about that. If your heart stops, what's it matter if you stop the bleeding? So, I'm going to stand by my assessment that he was incompetent. And then the second chunk of his lawsuit is his um saying that I guess he defamation per se might be his argument because I asked about whether he was at Fort Wuga because somebody believes they saw him at Fort Wuka on the 9th. But he admits in a lawsuit that I texted him uh four times asking him just to say yes or no so I could just, you know, very quickly say, "Oh, I reached out to him. He said it wasn't him." [snorts] But his reason for why he didn't answer me despite me trying to just get an answer and why he decided to just instead sue me uh was because what was his bizarre legal reason for why he just didn't answer any of my questions? I think he said because oh he didn't want me to get famous off of him. I I promise you this is his argument is that the reason he didn't answer >> he didn't want you to get famous off of him >> that I was just gonna use it for clicks. So if he had answered me and said no I'm I wasn't at Fort Wuka then I would have used it for clicks and he didn't want me to use him for clicks. So that's the that is the thrust of the lawsuit. >> So what does he want? Does he suing you for money? I think yeah, they he wants money and to be determined by a jury because his business has been affected. >> So, this shit's actually going to court. >> Oh, yeah. Which I'm really okay with because a lot of the questions that we're just trying to get answered, we can now force him to answer them and bring other people in too to sit down for deposition. So, >> do you have a court date? >> Uh, not yet cuz we still have to uh I think our Actually, don't quote me on that. I have to check in with my lawyers. We might have like I think we have something coming up where we Oh, we have to file a response in like the next coming weeks or something. >> Where will the law where will it happen? >> Here. >> Here in Nashville. >> Yeah. He's got to sue me here. This is where I defamed him apparently. So, I didn't know. Did he tell you he was like really felt like he had to do the show because of me? It's very strange. >> We didn't I didn't get that. >> Yeah. It would have been weird cuz I never talked about him. >> Hey, can I come on because of Candace not talking about me? It's weird. It's totally wacky. It feels like a PR move to me to be honest with you. But >> um >> You think it'll go the distance or you think they'll just drop suit? >> I I think they filed it in such a sloppy manner that they're hoping the court drops it and then they can say, "Well, we tried. We were telling the truth." And there is a lot of that in the court system where people file for PR reasons. I mean, Breijie is a perfect example of that. uh where you're doing something that you kind of know you can't win in court, but it allows you to then say, "Well, we really tried and obviously we must have been telling the truth or we wouldn't have sued." And that's not the case. I I have not changed my mind about Brian Harpole, and I was very thorough in trying to just get him to give me a response. Like, I would have happily taken a response from him, and he still hasn't offered one. He just sued me. >> Do they have any other clients? I don't know. He hasn't uh since it was just the initial filing, we haven't gotten into the details of who's not booking him or if someone dropped him. But that would just to me seem like common sense, especially when you say I mean, if you watched his interview with you, you wouldn't book him, you know, just the presentation. >> I mean, I'm just curious. >> Yeah. I I >> What did the defamation do? >> Is he still working for TPSU? >> He's not. My understanding is he's not still working for Turning Point USA. And I did hear through the grapevine that they sent him a cease and and desist after all of the flak that he got for his various appearances, things that he was saying that was just making things worse because he doesn't sound honest when he speaks. He's not clear. And he's also dishonest. I mean, he said even when I was watching your show, and that was one of the reasons we covered it was because we instantly learned he presented those messages when you asked him about the rooftop. He shows these messages and then he says, "What am I supposed to do with that?" You know, the implication being that this is a conversation he was having, but it wasn't. He was showing you Dan Flood's text messages. So that was strange and dishonest and yeah I and he they were also the discussion wasn't even about Losi center. The discussion was about the walkway above Charlie. So it seemed like even when he was on the show he was focused on PR but he just wasn't very convincing. And that's literally in a lawsuit that I described him as not very convincing. And that's defamatory. That's defamatory [snorts] >> and I stand by it. He wasn't very convincing. >> Yeah, I probably should have pressed him more. I just I [ __ ] felt bad though. I mean, it was still really fresh and the guy's tearing I I I just I would when I've been around a lot of loss, you know, in my previous career and so I didn't want to I wanted to be respectful, >> you know what I mean? But >> yeah, I I think you did the right thing actually because even though the viewers might feel frustration, the reality is is that if you had put him under the light, so to speak, he would have clammed up. >> And we benefited a lot from him just speaking. I'm still benefiting from him just speaking and other parts of that conversation that are being pulled and discussed. Certainly for my lawsuit's sake, it's [laughter] beneficial that he kept describing um things in detail. So, I think it was good to sort of let him talk. >> What are what are some of the other gems that you pulled out of my interview with Brian Harpool? I mean, there's I think at at some point I think it was your interview, it might have been someone else's where he said that he when he got to the hospital and he's like directing the staff or whatever and he like said that he cut off Charlie's shirt. I mean, that's just that's fantasy. That's full fantasy. That's not how that happens. Everybody knows that. when you get to the ER and somebody is on a stretcher, some random guy who's bringing the person in doesn't start calling the shots in the hospital. So, there's a lot of questions about what took place at the hospital, why Cash Patel moved to have the cameras um as one of the first acts get to get the cameras down inside of the hospital. That's very strange. Um the varying stories uh that they've all told about what took place, why they were all then wearing scrubs. Frank Turk saying that the he was on the phone the whole time with and didn't realize with his um >> who's Frank Turk? >> Frank Turk was another one of the people that was in the car. >> And he former military. He was there and jumped in the car with them. By the way, that's even weird. I don't know why he jumped in the car with them to be to be honest with you. and he was at the hospital and he tells conflicting stories and says that they did perform CPR. It's all just very strange. It just seems like something like why why are all of your stories running into each other? >> What how are those running into each other? What did they say? >> Well, some people are saying they did give him CPR, some are saying they didn't. >> Brian said they did not perform CPR because they were focused on stopping the bleeding. Frank said that they did perform CPR. Ryan said that Frank was just in the back seat praying. Uh Frank said that he got involved, which is the reason why he had all the blood on on him or whatever. >> So, the discrepancy between the people that are in the car doesn't really make sense. >> I mean, I don't know. Do you do you give CPR to somebody that's been shot in the [ __ ] neck? >> Well, you if you don't keep someone's heart going, it doesn't matter, right? Like, nothing else matters if your heart stops pumping. So, yeah, you would give CPR. I would imagine you keep CPR going at all times. I'm I'm certainly not a medical professional, but I do know that like if your heart stops, you're dead. [laughter] So, you got to keep the heart going. And them not having the ambulance on standby. >> I'm not standing up for him. I don't know if that's I don't know if you would do CPR. >> What would be the point of, you know, if your heart's not going, your heart's not going. And I'm not even saying, and by the way, I'm not even saying that >> um what was right or what was wrong to do. >> Saying the stories are >> I'm saying the stories are not consistent. And that's what has been so troublesome for people that are investigating this. It's why do you guys all have different stories? Why are there so many lies that have since been unpacked that >> and initially they said a lot in the beginning and they've since, you know, pivoted on their stories quite a bit. >> Why do you think that they repaved that thing? What? How many days afterwards? >> Because by Sunday, they had a person coming in on a Sunday. So Charlie got shot at 12:23 on a Wednesday and they had early morning on Sunday papa come in. And even before then, they had the soil removed by a separate group of people. >> They had the soil removed. >> The soil removed first. 10 in of soil removed first. >> Do they do that at any other murder scene anywhere? >> Absolutely not. >> The soil removed. Why the [ __ ] would they have the soil? >> Well, their excuse is we were putting down papavers. So, it is normal to remove soil to put down papavers. Uh but why were you putting down pavers? Why were you paving over the crime scene? And in that scenario, I think you normally do from somebody that is in that space said that about 8 in you would remove so that you can install the pavers. They removed 10 in of soil and they had two separate people do it. So they had people working for the government that removed the 10 inches of soil and then the next day the pavers came in and put in the pavers. That's not normal. You have the same group of people that do both. So they they wanted they had the dirt removed first and so we'd have to imagine that that happened Saturday the latest, right? And because then by Sunday morning, the guy who had to put together a rag tag team to do the paving, he did an interview and spoke about it and said he was told that the instructions were coming down from the governor of Utah and Cash Mattel's office >> probably. I'm, you know, I've taken a long time to get to a place where I wanted to put forth a theory on what happened that day. I think there is a lot of evidence that they would have found explosives, which um if I [snorts] guess the way uh PETN is said is like what do you guys say? Pent >> patent. >> Pton. I'm trying to learn all the inside terms and sound like I know what I'm talking about on on all the military guy stuff. But if if uh Pton was the explosive that was used and I think there is a strong a strong theory that should be explored um that a shape charge was used to kill him and that what killed him was on him. Um I if you look into pent it is pretty resistant. It stays on soil. It there you can read tons of articles about it. It's you just have to remove the soil. >> So you think that they >> I think there was explosives. I think that explains as I was unpacking on my show a lot of the holes in the story that didn't make sense. If you run the theory that he was killed with a PE pet shape charge, >> then they all suddenly start to make sense why they wouldn't bring the bomb dogs over to where Charlie died. >> See, we almost we I can't I can't remember what this guy name his name is, but my editor, you were just chatting with him. He brought it to my attention. He was chatting with this guy right after it happened. So, I guess almost a year ago and once I just never know what to so many [ __ ] people are trying to get clicks and [ __ ] you know what I mean? That I I'm like I don't think it adds up. >> And he he would describe, you know, how it how it was going to work or how it was supposedly worked and yeah, it was shape charge inside the microphone, right? >> Mhm. Yeah. >> And they had all these videos that show the blast and everything, but I I I don't know what's AI and what isn't. I don't [ __ ] believe anything. Unless it's literally right in front of my face, then I still don't believe most of it. But but to have a the thing that really got me was to have a microphone on a loose shirt >> when he's up in a chair like moving around, >> it just >> mic on the inside, by the way. >> Mic on the inside. >> Yeah, the mic is on the microphone, which is totally senseless. >> Wait, was it taped to his chest? What you see on the outside is the the magnet that's holding the mic that's on the inside >> which like any person who mics you know noses you don't put the mic on the inside because you get the sound >> and they were putting it on the inside like you you might do that if it's a super windy day or cold day to avoid >> I thought it was a [ __ ] new DJI mic that everybody's using. >> No, it's a road mic. A road mic pro. So that's just the metal uh that's just the magnetic clasp that's on the outside >> coated on the inside >> which they started doing it. It was a new thing for it was just a new thing that they were doing. And so um >> how long have you been tracking this? >> How long had I been tracking >> microphone thing? >> I actually So I always tried to approach things with just what do I observe with my own eyes. And when I brought myself to being able to watch the footage of Charlie dying, the first thing I thought was that he was shot from below because I watched his shirt go out and I it was I watched the friction of his body and I saw that his necklace broke before he was hit. I thought I always thought that was so strange. I was like somebody explain to me why if someone shot him from above his necklace would break first and whip this way. his necklace whips this way and then he gets hit and then he he and I was like so I just in my head and I was assuming that it was a gun was like I think someone was under him like that's the only thing that would explain his shirt doing whatever and then I saw John Bray is who you're referring to he was online and he was talking about this explosive and um I saw that and I was like in my head with my limited knowledge on what he was speaking about I I went, "Oh, well, it's not going to be explosive." Because then if it was a bomb, Charlie would have been burned and charred. And I knew that his body was not burned and charred. And so I but I I kept following him. And what happened was we got exclusively the car photos, the car that transported Charlie to the hospital, what that car looked like, which they tried very quickly to get rid of that car. They towed it um had it sent for like to be cleaned and resold, which is also an absolute nonsense. that car would have been put into evidence. But when I saw the car pics, first thing I said was, "Oh, that's so weird." Like, "Well, why is there black glass on the floor?" Right away, just like a ton of like black what looked to my eye as glass shards in the floor. And John Bray messaged me and he said on X, he said, "I just watched her episode. That's exactly what I was looking for to support my theory." And then I said, "What do you mean?" and he said, "I've been saying that his road mic was rigged, but in order for my theory to be true, the road mic would have had to explode into a million pieces, and that would have been on Charlie, and they would have had to get that off of him in the car." And so I went, "Well, I have I have the car photos." And there's very clearly now to play devil's advocate, as I always try to do, could it could have been somebody's sunglasses they stepped on that broke into a million. And it looks it's a lot of glass. It's in the seat that Charlie was on. It's behind it's I mean hard plastic 80 80 I think it's called ABS plastic and if you watch videos people just smashing a road mic that's exactly what it looks like is littered all over the floor. So now we have to say why did his necklace break first, then his road mic break second. And we're looking at a now we're looking at a trajectory, right? Before he gets hit and you do see it move across like if you watch the video again without trying to be an expert, if you just sometimes look at a video and say, "What do you see?" Slow it down. What do you observe happening? And that is what you observe. you observe something moving across his chest and then suddenly you see a wound here and that was my starting point. And so I never bought uh the idea that he was on somebody shot him from a lossy rooftop. That made no sense to me that nobody saw him shoot him is even crazier to me. This is a college campus in the middle of the day. Somebody would have seen him take a shot. And so then what added to me thinking this is now very plausible was the 306 superneck Superman neck. You know >> now you're asking us to be idiots. >> Mhm. Now, now the demand is for us to be idiots. And they did it in such an emotionally manipulative, despicable way, which has now become the turning point way, which is to just say God, the Lord, the miracle, the And if you don't believe in it, then you don't believe in God. And you're not honoring God if you don't believe in the miracle of this. This was the biggest lie that Erica told me and completely transformed my opinion of her. Um, I think, you know, I sat down with her for 4 hours. I was reticent to explore any conspiracies about her. I was slow to do it because >> first and foremost, she's the mother of Charlie's kids. That that's first and foremost. Secondly, it required me to have to go through a second stage of grief that I was not ready to do. I had a very hard time with Charlie's death. Still do. Um, but to be the person that Charlie was speaking to so much about how much he wanted love to when I had to take time off um, and just go to Wyoming and try to get my head right after it. I read through all of our messages, you know, and so I had I relived it all. And cuz you just, you know, I was in a phase of denial. I was really at that phase where I was hoping and I went through bargaining. I went through anger. I went through a very aggressive stage of denial. And I think my husband was realizing that I needed to get away at that point because I was trying to say like, "No, maybe he's really alive." You know, maybe they put him in witness protection. Like that's that bargaining. >> And then also the denial that's just in my face. And um [snorts] when I got out there and I was reading the messages and uh before she came into his life and Charlie just really really really wanted love, right? He that was like it. And it was almost like poetic the stuff that he was writing about how how love could kind of make men move mountains. And so for me to have to mourn him and then have to consider that the thing that he wanted most like he didn't get it. It just gutted me. It It gutted me. And so but I couldn't deny it anymore. I couldn't deny it. And it was beyond intuition. It was beyond her being weird. It was beyond her being at the office. And then I got the um the Zoom calls. My assumption was that she was grieving like I was. And my assumption I didn't know she was in the office the next week. As soon as she got back, she just went straight to the office. And >> she was in the office the next week. >> Yep. As soon as she gave that speech at the podium that you saw where she addressed the nation, not the I forgive him speech, but like the first one that was like 48 hours after he died. She was in the office that whole week. A lot of guys think getting healthier means adding more and more things to the routine. More supplements, more tracking, more protocols, more complicated systems. But the older I get, the more I think it comes down to getting the fundamentals right and supporting your body at the source. 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I tuned when I saw the the funeral. >> Is that what we're calling it? >> Like >> posting Instagram stories or whatever it was of her like rubbing his dead body. I would that I was like, "What the [ __ ] is this, dude? What is that?" >> Yep. And >> you're using your dead husband as a [ __ ] social media post. And beyond that, and again me ignoring it, ignoring all of it, and then it was just actually on the day that your husband gets shot, you didn't have a single one of your family members go with you. That one family member or friend went with Erica to Utah. >> Wow. >> She went with the person that's holding her in the photo when his body is coming off Air Force One. Could you imagine not having your mom, your brother, your sister, your cousin, your best friend, I don't know, like your A1 since day one from high school with you when that goes down. No, she was every in one every single one of those videos, she's with the head fundraiser of Turning Point USA. The person holding her, hugging her, crying, that's Stacy Sheridan. She's a chief fundraiser. Stacy Sheridan is the one recording her while she's in the casket. No one can make that make sense. You you cannot tell me a thousand times that you would not have a family member, a cousin, a brother, somebody other than just all turning point people. And mind you, the vice president is offering to fly over whoever you want. So this isn't like, oh, I we couldn't get to Utah. Like your family will crawl over glass to get to you. You go through something like that. >> And she didn't have anybody, not her aunts, not nobody. just Stacy Sheridan recording all of those private moments. And again, those were the things. I mean, I think I just assumed that her family was there. I assumed cuz Charlie's family was there, his sister was there, mother, his mother was there, his brother was there. I mean, his um uh mother and father were there. She just had Mama Stacy, as I call it, which is the woman who's all about raising money. And when did you guys get so close? You you don't need anybody else for emotional support here. And so, you're correct. that was that was intentionally recorded for us to um raise money at the end of the day. But the lie that she told that I couldn't get over was when she lied about the 30 six and she >> what did she lie about that? What did she say? So, what we thought happened, and this is I I think I single-handedly ruined the plan, so to speak, but what happened was I my eyes when I was watching the event as someone who had gone on tour with Charlie every single year since 2018, 2017. So, 17, 18, 19, 2020, 20 up until 2024, which is the first time they started doing this double mic thing on him, right? The fall of 2024. as I'm going, why is Terrell there? It's the first thing I I drew my eye. It was like, why is the head of audiovisisual here? He doesn't come on campus events. This is new. And then I see that he's taking the camera down. And I'm like, that's weird. And the internet's going crazy about this. So, I'm like, well, Terrell's been there for 12 years, long, maybe longer. I know. I'm just going to call him and ask him what's up. Like, maybe there's a reason. And I assumed he was going to say something like, you know, the police asked me to. I don't know. You wanted to see the footage. Instead, he was the first person that made me realize something was very wrong because he was very nervous on the phone. I asked him if I could see the back footage just to like clarify with people like looking out for you, Tarl. I can tell them what's going on and his energy was just completely wrong. He came up with a million excuses why I couldn't see the back footage. He told me he didn't know how to send a file. I'm like, Carol, you run an audiovisisual company. You know how to send a file. Then he told me, "Oh yeah, I do know how to send a file, but I um I really didn't I I'm afraid Google's going to hack me if I send it." And I said, "Google's going to hack you if you send me the file of the back footage." And I didn't accept that, obviously. And then he said, "Well, I grabbed the camera for Erica so that she wouldn't have to relive her husband dying over and over again." And I said, "His death was live streamed. Everyone saw Charlie die." >> The back footage is not like that's not going to be anything. So, I knew something was wrong with the back footage. And I kept pressing him for two days. And finally he said, "Well, I'll I'll face record I'll FaceTime you and show you it." And I hit record on the face. I just didn't know, just my instincts. And someone on my team was like, "You should record this." And I recorded it. And the first thing I thought that was so strange was there was no blood. The bullet didn't go through. There was no blood. Charlie's shirt was crisp white from the moment he went down. And I went, "That's odd." So I at that moment recorded it, had it, hung up with him, told my audience what I saw, and there was apparently mass panic, which I now know how the full story went. This was the day of Charlie's actual funeral, not the WWE memorial event, but the actual funeral, which was the night before. And they panicked that I had seen the footage. and somebody at the FBI called Turning Point and asked explicitly to Justin Strife whether or not I had recorded it. At that point, Justin Strife, who is the uh COO of Turning Point USA, messaged my husband, called my husband and wanted to know whether or not I had recorded it. And my husband has no idea what he's talking about. My he's not he's like he's like he runs the business. He's like, "I don't know what you're talking about." He then comes out to me. He's like, "Justin Strife keeps asking if you recorded this footage. was he talking about? And instantly in my mind, I said, "That's a really weird question. Why does it matter? Why does it matter if I recorded the footage?" And I said, "Don't answer him. I'll deal with it." And then what happened on the This is all happening on the day of Charlie's actual funeral. No one should be caring about back footage, anything. Why is the FBI calling? What then happened was Erica peeled off from Charlie's actual funeral, his wife, and she called the surgeon with Andrew Kovette on the phone, a three-way call. And the story that Andrew would then write cuz then he tweeted on the day of Charlie's funeral and said, "People want to know why there was, you know, no blood." And then the surgeon says that it was a miracle. And you remember this this ridiculous tweet. Charlie ate really healthy and this it normally it would have taken down a moose, but he really was the man of steel and this is like a modern-day Christian miracle. I mean, total slop for the masses. And everyone then went, "What the f? It didn't go through. Like, you're confirming this didn't go through. Something's wrong here." Right? When I asked Erica about this, and I didn't know about this thing that happened at the funeral, um, I asked her, "Why did Andrew send this tweet?" And she said to me, "He went rogue." I didn't know he sent the tweet. I said, "Andrew, Andrew went rogue." And she said, "Call the surgeon." I said, "The surgeon spoke to Andrew without your permission." And she said, "Yeah." I said, "So, the surgeon to the highest profile assassination since JFK, violated HIPPA, went rogue, spoke to some random PR guy he doesn't know, who also went rogue." And then at the conclusion of this conversation, Andrew tweeted something without your permission, and went rogue again. And she said, "Yeah." Then I got the information that she completely lied. That >> How'd you figure that out? >> A source that she was the one who initiated the phone call. and Andrew was on it and that the surgeon never said that what was put on on online. In fact, that's largely embarrassing to a surgeon because you're saying he violated HIPPA, right? And he's an idiot. Like, he's an idiot. Like, it's a modern-day miracle. Not only that, but it's not the surgeon's job. So, what happened was she said to the surgeon allegedly, "How can we explain to people that the, you know, the authority got six didn't go through?" And the surgeon doesn't know anything about whether six. He's he is a hunter. He hunts and he said, "I don't know." Like, you know, maybe it was a frangible bullet or something. I don't I have no idea. And he's going off of them saying it was a 30 odd six. And at that point, Erica offered an explanation. And she said, "Well, my baby, you know, he ate so healthy and I'm sure it's like he had a man of steel neck because he ate so healthy." >> How the So, wasn't there a picture of Robinson standing at a Dairy Queen right in front of a poster that said Man of Steel? >> Yeah. Which actually was in theaters. And so that was like weird. But Erica is that that quotation and that explanation came from Erica as she was trying to pull an excuse out of the surgeon which somehow got elevated to the number one priority on the day of her husband's actual funeral. They were stressed out that the the public had learned that the bullet didn't go through. Why would you be stressed out about that? >> I would be mourning my wife or who who my significant other, you know. I wouldn't be >> trying. >> So, what what do you what what what is what do you think is going on? >> I mean, who is Tyler Robinson? What the [ __ ] was he doing there? >> What do you think is behind this? >> I don't think Tyler Robinson was there. >> You don't think he was there? >> I think he's a total psy. I think they get lookalikes and they got everybody wearing the same outfit. I think he played a role and I believe that what he did was he picked up clothes and he dumped them behind the the Dairy Queen. I think he had a role, but I do not believe that Tyler Robinson is the person who was walking in that staircase. I do not believe the person walking in the staircase was even the person that we saw running off of the roof. I don't even know what day that person was running off the roof because there are there's only one eyewitness to him having been on the roof and the person who says that he saw him crouching low, the person that shared the video of the guy on the roof and was like, "Look up here. Somebody just got up there." I spoke to that individual and he never saw a shot fired. Never said that he saw a shot fired. knows about weapons and finds it really unusual that the prosecution hasn't reached out to him. So, I I don't know what happened. I just know what didn't happen. And I feel confident stating that Tyler Robinson did not kill murder Charlie Kirk. Whether or not he was an accessory to the crime, do I believe he was at Dairy Queen dropping off clothes? Yeah. How did he get mixed up in that? I don't know. Maybe he was blackmailed. Maybe he got into involved in some weird stuff online. That's the easiest way for the feds to blackmail someone. I think his roommate is a federal asset. Lance Twigs. >> The person. >> Why do you think that? >> Because the police didn't even question him, which is bonkers. Yeah. Lance Twigs. I spoke to Lance Twigs, his family, and they think he's involved, and they don't understand why the police just sat him down for a few hours and let him go. And they said he has he's involved in a lot of bad stuff. Um they he lived with them for a little bit that he's into, you know, weird categories of pornography as well. And so they were shocked that the police just had never had any interest in Lance Twigs and he is crucial to the story that they're trying to tell as the roommate. Uh if you're dating, if they are in a gay relationship and you're dating him, you would have access to his guns. You would have access to you could easily set up somebody that you're dating. And that's what my my gut tells me is Lance Twigs was a federal asset. Is a federal asset. [ __ ] Who was the guy? Wasn't there a guy that said he did it that was also at 911 or something? >> Oh, I call him decoy boy number one. George Zin. >> What the [ __ ] is that? >> So, George Zin instantly gets up, says he did it, his pants fall, and people are recording him and it creates, I guess, just a bit of a distraction. What I have on authority from the hospital that he went to after he he went to the hospital to get treated for some mild injuries is that he told the nurses that he was paid to do it, but he didn't know where the money was coming from. >> And this guy was also in New York when 9/11 happened. >> I don't know if he was in New York or but he has he he has some story about 911. >> There's some weird connection. >> Some very weird connection. Yeah. >> I don't know exactly what it is. I can't remember. No, you're correct. But that's what he told the nurses that day that he was paid to do that. But he didn't know who exactly was paying him. Just said he was going to be paid for that. >> Do you think he was killed because he was going against Israel to >> 1,000%. >> Why% >> lots you you go against Israel? Why not you? >> Well, I think >> why are you still here? I think if if Andrew Kovette is to believe be believed, you know, he told me it was supposed to be me, which was an interesting thing to say. What >> Andrew Kovette said to me a few days after the assassination. Um, and at the moment, I just took it as poorly expressed grief, you know, because I didn't find Andrew to be suspicious because I just didn't, my mind wasn't there. But he said to me on the phone, it was supposed to be you verbatim. >> Are you serious? But I thought that was he was crying. I was crying. I thought he >> legitimately said it was supposed to be >> It was supposed to be you. >> So I have questions about that now given everything that happened in the leadup to that. I I think Charlie I think Charlie knew something. I think the biggest question that has not been answered in all of this is what happened at the Hampton's >> when BB Netany and Yahoo called. >> I don't know about this. >> So, it was a couple of weeks before Charlie died. Well, August 5th and 6th, he did a summit at Bill Aman's house where, you know, Bill Aman was kind of hosting a bunch of pro-Israel people and Charlie was pressed on his view, his changing views and he was pressed by Seth Dylan. um PE voices were raised and he wanted to know why he's not you know why you can't criticize BB Netany and Yahoo and not be called anti-Semitic. There was a smaller dinner that took place and Bill Aman Erica was present and BB Netanyahu called. Now, what I was told directly from Andrew Colbeat, which Erica didn't know that my source was Andrew Coat on this, she was surprised in person when I told her this, was that BB offered to take Turning Point USA to the next level. And Charlie said no. In exchange for what? Also, how does an organization that's pulling in 150 million a year, what is the next level? It's a lot of money. 100 million a year in exchange for what do you think he in exchange for him pledging to preach free markets and capitalism. So, at the moment that you refuse an offer from a man that deranged, that psychopathic, that bloodthirsty, you >> that much power, >> you know something. You know, >> he obviously has >> an enormous amount of influence over the current administration. >> Correct. >> I mean, an enormous amount of influence. It's pretty [ __ ] obvious. I think everybody's seeing it. >> In exchange for what? I'll take your company to the next level. Cool. What? I think it's a it's a it's a trillion dollar question. And um Erica when I asked her about that and she admitted the BB Netany and Yahoo call happened that she was there and she said oh he was just calling because Charlie had written him a letter in May and it's just so stupid. So stupid. Oh, he's not busy. He just was calling to say hey toodles. Like just wanted to know how you're doing. I saw your letter. Thanks for it. He he was I said that's it. Okay. So, I'm supposed to believe Andrew lied about that, that he offered to take it to the next level and she was coming to say, "No, that that didn't happen. He just wanted to just check in with Charlie." That's not true. She's lying. And I know she's lying because then somebody in Andrew Kett's family orbit reached out to me and said that that definitively happened because Andrew said that when Charlie said no, he lost millions. Andrew Kovat lost millions when Charlie said no. Now you wonder, how does a PR guy lose millions? He's a spokesperson for Turning Point USA. And then I had to remind myself that he owns a piece of Charlie, the Charlie Kirk show, right? So I don't know if it was going to be via the Charlie Kirk show, which was at that moment with Salem. Salem has recently filed uh you know, under Farra. They're working with that um uh faith by works and the whole thing. in Salem is a part of that filing. So, they are effectively foreign agents. I don't know how it that money was going to come in. That's another question that if we had any real journalists, they would be exploring that. But, um yeah, BB Netanyahu calling and Charlie not just refusing it, but he had anger towards BB. He did. And [snorts] how do you know? Because char BB Netanyahu that month did a ton of shows. Very strange by the way that a prime minister of Israel was suddenly hitting the orbit. It doing PR. He did a ton of shows. I mean Patrick Bet David show, Brandon Tatum's show. Uh and he hadn't before that done any sort of podcasting since he was like hawking his book, you know, like years ago. He didn't do Charlie Kirk's show because Charlie didn't want to have him on. Again, something told to me as a fact by Andrew Kovat. Charlie refused to have BB Netanyahu on a show. So, if you want to know how Charlie was feeling about Israel and BB Netanyahu, there's your answer. How people couldn't see the Israel threat in this doesn't make any sense to me. >> I can't I can't believe he said it was supposed to be you. >> He did. >> Does that scare you? I mean, >> you seem fearless. >> I We're all here for a blip. And I think it's not about not having any fears. It's about what scares me more, right? What scares me more is considering the world that our children will inherit if we stay quiet. Cuz we feel it right now. We feel the squeeze. We feel the evil. We feel the cloud. It's there. And you have a bunch of people who whether it's for money or for fear are allowing it to happen. And there are so many historical lessons about what can happen to a country when good men do nothing. And so what scares me is thinking about what what's going to be like in America when my children are my age. because I was too scared to say something when Charlie Kirk was publicly assassinated and the most powerful people in the country colluded to lie about it. If Charlie Kirk was not safe in the United States of America, nobody is. Nobody is. >> Do you feel this is your responsibility >> to figure out what happened and to keep the investigation going? I don't know if it's like my I don't know if responsibility would be the word that I would use. I just I just know that it's a part of my journey. I know that it's not a coincidence um that Charlie kept telling me he was going to die young, that he had really really deep visions about his death um in 2018. Very specific visions about the fact that he was going to die young and that he knew that I would be the one to fight. You know, there are things that we we don't understand. We're not meant to understand them, right? I but there is something that is moving me that feels bigger than me. I know it matters. And when I read back those conversations and think about how I was like, "You need to get some sleep. You're probably just tired. No, you're not going to die young." You know, my death is going to be tied to Turning Point USA. From the moment I signed on the dotted line, he said he said he has the dream. He had the dreams repeatedly. >> What were the dreams? >> That he was going to die young. that he was going to die in a very tragic way and that his death would be tied to like saving the world, waking up the world about something. And at the time, I just I didn't I mean, what do you say with that, right? What it'd be weird if I was like, "Okay, sure. Give me the plan. What would you like me to do when you die young?" Like what was I going to say? When I read it back, it's haunting. It haunts me. And it haunts me because now in the way that he was dreaming in 2018, I have had the most vivid dreams since he's died. And I don't discount them. I I know there is just something spiritually pulling me and guiding me in ways I don't really understand. And so I I just I just give into that there. It's like he went out and I something awakened in me. [sighs and snorts] >> I mean, when you're talking about evil prevails when good men do nothing, do you think that I think about this all the time, too. It's one of my favorite quotes. I feel it's part of me feels like it's a responsibility to do what I do just like you do, I think. And but how much impact do you think you can really make? >> You know, I try not to stop and measure my impact. I know that every day when I wake up and when I decide what I want to cover, I am doing it out of a unique passion, a care >> and something is motivating me that is real. And I think people respond to that and it's made a difference. Charlie is trending every day. He's trending every day. And that's not what they wanted. They wanted everyone to stop talking about him the moment Erica and Trump hugged on stage at the memorial. And she said, "I forgive him." That was supposed to be the end. >> That was so weird, too. >> It was weird. Everything was weird. Everything has been strange. Um, most of all his wife. and watching this this almost subhuman answer that they are trying to provide which is well we have money we have power so just get in line like that's going to that's going to be the cure here for all the skepticism is just to apply more money more influencers uh more attacks on the people who are looking into it I mean turning point USA attacking Joe Kent. I like it's just for trying to investigate whether there could have been any foreign ties. Think about how bizarre that is. >> Oh, I know. >> And what's more bizarre is that they don't recognize it as bizarre when they do it. What's wrong with these people? >> The social IQ there is something that disturbs me. their inability to understand that what they're doing is going to register to the public as remarkably suspicious. Case in point, did no one tell you that you shouldn't be on a Zoom call laughing about emojis 6 days after your husband got killed? Someone does someone have to tell you that? What has been rinsed out of you that you don't recognize that there's something deeply wrong with that? To to get onto a Zoom call 11 days after he's been assassinated and say, "We're moving on with Turning Point 2.0. My husband is dead. Not to be morbid, but he's dead." That's that's acceptance. >> Do you think that she had something to do with it? She was complicit. Or do you I mean, we were talking about this earlier. I came here from Boca Raton, Florida. It's the shallowest [ __ ] place in the on the planet. You see 19-year-old girls with 76-y old men every single day playing tonsil hockey and more, you know, and that's just that's just what that place is. Do you think it Do you think that maybe she when they met she was, you know, she just saw a paycheck and she's a narcissist and had no feelings, no love, no nothing for him. just wanted to marry into a guy who's making $150 million a year. >> Even if everything you just said was true, she was motivated by money to marry him. She didn't actually love him. Let's even add that she hated him secretly, right? When someone dies like that, you still have a human reaction. >> So, let's Who who would you say is his arch nemesis? Nick Fuentes. Okay. He delivered a more impassioned response to what happened to Charlie than Charlie's wife did. >> Even your worst even your worst enemy. That's what I'm saying. Like forget remove all that. Even if it's your worst enemy in life. >> When someone dies like that, it stirs you cuz you're like, "Okay, I didn't really didn't like this guy, but like, man, I didn't want him to die like that, you know? That's not that's not how I wanted I wanted to, you know, debate him. >> I was having fun hating him, whatever it is. Uh that we couldn't get that from his wife. And when I go back, because I think I did suffer, my sister said to me, you know, right away she came down and I couldn't eat. And um she said to me, "Can you need to recognize that when to watch somebody that you know die like that, it's like a brain trauma." Like I my brain was like trying and I'm sure you understand this because military guys see deal with death I think a lot more than we do like traumatic death like this but it's it's like a brain trauma is the only way you can describe it and so I was not even paying attention to certain things that I now see with very clear eyes like her speech like you said at the memorial Erica actually doesn't really tell you anything about Charlie in that speech it's a speech that's laying the groundwork for turning point 2.0 No, she tells you every time she speaks about Charlie, she actually tells you about how great she is, how much he loved her, how he wrote her notes, how he wanted her to take over Turning Point USA. And she didn't write a speech. I learned that because they fired a bunch of people that she didn't write a speech. Erica doesn't write her own speeches. The idea of not writing the eulogy, and that's why we don't learn anything about him, that we couldn't find on Wikipedia. There was there was there was no >> substance. >> There's no substance. Who was Charlie outside of Turning Point USA? You can't find out in that speech. >> All Charlie wanted was Turning Point USA 2.0. Turning Point. Turning Point. He cared about the students. He cared about looking after men like Tyler Robinson. I forgive him. This is what Turning Point's all about. Turning Point. Turning Point. Uh how many times they say turning point. I mean, even at her podium speech, and I felt weird about it the first time when she the 48 hours afterwards, she said, "You want to help? Here's what you can do. Go to turningpoint.com." Out of nowhere, an ad read the first time she addresses the nation. Go to turningpointusa.com. >> Holy [ __ ] >> I I can't even like stomach the idea of being able to say something like that. But her whole idea, this is what he wanted. He wanted your money to go to Turning Point USA. And then you can contrast it with um Vanessa's speech, Vanessa Bryant's speech, and you see what a grieving widow looks like. And you listen to the story she told. I I rewatched her speech and I couldn't get through it cuz I I loved Kobe. I loved Kobe Bryant and I loved Kobe. Kobe on the court. I loved he was amazing at what he did. I love, but how weird if she had given a speech of like he dribbled every single day and what he loved was the Lakers and if you want to support the Lakers and support my like no she said we didn't we didn't even know Kobe by the time you got get through her speech you realize you didn't know Kobe I loved Kobe who he was in the court this is her husband and she knew Kobe and she shared that with us in her eulogy of Vanessa Bryant like who he was as a father who he was what he like who he was at home and you you realize there's no humanity in Erica's speech. She doesn't want you to think of Charlie as anything other than a vehicle for Turning Point USA. And he was so much more than that. He was so much more than that. Like, and um I think that's why in retrospect people watched my show and people like Taylor Luren said, "Why do I feel like she tweeted, "Why do I feel like Can is the only one that actually cared about him?" I didn't even realize that when I was just saying, you know, sharing all of those like little moments that I had with Charlie, that that was unique and that nobody was getting that from anybody who worked with him. They were just trying to encourage you to donate to Turning Point USA. This is this is what he would have wanted you to do. He wasn't like, yes, yes, he loved building and he loved politics and all those things, but the actual Charlie was um he was just so funny. Like I mean, just like the fact that they didn't tell you who Charlie was and how he was really good at voices and like he could mimic anybody's voice and he was just he just had the best sense of humor. He really did. And everything was just left on the table. They didn't care. It was all about building what Erica was gonna step into. >> Man, wow. Let's take a break. >> Most gear looks good until you actually start using it. Then you find out pretty quickly what holds up and what doesn't. That's why I keep coming back to ROA. These aren't just lifestyle sunglasses pretending to be performance gear. I've worn mine training, on the range, traveling, and outdoors for long days. And they stay locked in place the entire time. They're incredibly lightweight. The optics are razor sharp with zero glare, and you honestly forget you're even wearing them. But they still look clean enough to wear anywhere. Not overly tactical, just modern functional design that works every day. 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Proprietary magazines, supposedly the best engineering in the world. When that breaks, you're now bringing them back. It does look prettying cool. I got to I got to admit that. All right, Candace, let's get back to you. So, 2007 looks like you got threats in your senior year. >> What was that about? >> I wrote about it in my first book. It was one of these moments that I think made me understand the media and how the media functions uh sort of their ability to lie or sort of to create a narrative. And in retrospect, what happened could have just been understood in like a very high school way. Um I had a best friend who was he was a guy friend of a guy friend of mine and I think he's gay by the I think he ended up being gay in life. But um he and I hung out all the time until I got my first boyfriend like and that was it. I was totally the typical standard ditch all your friends, spend non-stop time with your boyfriend. And he was really angry and bitter about that. Not because he liked me or anything, but just it was just I guess a disruption. And so one night I guess he rounds up a couple of guys who I had never met in my life which is why it was scary when it happened because I was thinking I don't know who would leave me these messages and he left they left the boys and I mean one the youngest was like 12 years old I think having his first beer and they left like horrifically racist messages like there's no question we're going to put a bullet in the back of your head like Rosa Parks. I mean, >> holy [ __ ] >> It was a lot. And when it happened, I was like, what on earth? Like, who's calling me? I didn't think it was him because the voices warrant his. He had different people in the car, but one of the people ended up being the mayor and then eventual governor of Connecticut's son, which turned it into a political thing. And suddenly now, uh, everyone wanted to cover this. I hadn't even reported it myself. I actually was just talking about it in a philosophy class in high school. And my teacher at the time, who's now the principal of the school of a high school, he's great, loved him. He was like, "This is absolutely unacceptable. You're going in right now reporting this." And so he went right into the principal's office and reported it. And then it felt like everything was taken out of completely out of my control. And it was like front page fodder because it was look what the mayor's son was involved in. I had never met the kid in my entire life. and the racism theme and the NAACP is showing up on the the steps of my high school. They had never spoken to me about the NAACP has got to NAACP. So that kind of shaped my ideas about them as well because no one cared about how we felt at that point. No one cared about really what probably should have happened is he probably should have been forced to apologize and they probably rather than smearing him as a racist. I mean was he a racist? No. We were best friends. That's kind of the point. Did he do something and say something racist? Yes. You will be surprised how when you're trying to hurt someone, how easily available it is to use a racist term. Even when you're mad. I mean, there's comedic skits about that. Everyone turns into a racist as soon as someone cuts them off in a car, right? [laughter] Like this Spanish guy, this Spanish guy just cut me off. You know what I mean? Suddenly we're we're all racist when we're angry. There's some truth to it. You know, you catch yourself. Yeah. You're sexist, too. Woman driver like female. Oh, it's a Chinese man behind the wheel. [laughter] And so it was it was, you know, the micro of that pretty much. And more traumatizing than the messages was then having my life completely ripped from me and becoming like this micro celebrity victim, right? and nobody cared and everyone's life got ruined in a different way. Um the kids I know ended up getting into a lot of trouble. I think the kid that was my best friend, he I ended up leaving school for a bit and um homeschooling just because I wanted while they the FBI was investigating the authenticity of the message as if it was I'm sure that was being pressed >> while the FBI got involved. >> Yeah, they did. And I think it was just because of the element of the politician who was trying to pretend his son didn't do it as if what I called myself casually like and left these messages. I don't know why all that was even necessary. They should have just confessed, but I think they tried to get away with it in like a weird stupid way and the kids ended up getting arrested and it was definitely not it was just wasn't dealt with in the right way and it became this really big thing that ruined a lot of lives. And I think for a kid to be branded as a racist for doing something one night is really heavy. It's really heavy. >> Especially when it's just fundamentally not true, right? >> Like I said, you he wouldn't have been my best friend if he was a racist. And he I will maintain that he was not a racist. He did something really stupid and said a lot of really racist stuff when he was drunk. People make mistakes. It's hard, especially now in today's environment, to allow kids to make mistakes. Um, we everything is so recorded. I mean, you see what they do if they find one tweet that someone sent that said, you know, the n-word when they were 11 years old. And I remember sitting with my cousin, my younger cousin, one time, and he plays, you know, what's the game? Not Grand Theft Auto, but it's one that's like it where there's like a lot of guys love it. It's Call of Duty. M >> Call of Duty and he literally was 12 years old and he's in the chat. Have you Have you seen this Call of Duty chat? I'm sure you have maybe. >> And it's unbelievable. It's just like it's just like this whole and he's in there saying whatever and saying Allah Akbar and throwing a bomb and he's like a 12-year-old kid and I'm just sitting here going, "Okay, this is just 12year-olds just trying everything out, saying what they can." You're going to push boundaries. I mean it's a part of coming of age is like you push boundaries and you know Louis CK did a really good skit talking about what the phones are taking away from people and it's this natural stage where people want to try out being mean and you if you say something to someone's face and you see how they react and then you realize you don't really feel good being mean. Doesn't actually feel good to be mean. It allows you to kind of edit yourself as a human being. And things are really easy when you add technology as a layer. It's easy to tweet something stupid. It's easy to, you know, say something vicious in the comment section. And we're now dealing with a generation of kids who are growing up terminally online. Whereas when I was growing up, my dad had a beeper, right? and so I don't have to think about the record where I'm sure I experimented with being mean in middle school and social media has added another dynamic to it. So I kind of reflected on that and um again don't regret any of the lessons from it but I I really do think that it just seeing the obsession to politicize and the NAACP and the Democratic mayor looking to like try to cover this up. It it kind of gave me an early introduction to what politics is, which is not really about solutions, but >> you saw it right through all that [ __ ] at 17 years old. >> Yeah. Wow. >> Well, I lived it and and I and it didn't help me. And so also even just the the politics of victimhood. This is a victim. Like who wants to be a victim? >> A lot of people. >> Yeah. Well, because money is made. And that's kind of the NAACP's grift in that is find me a black victim and I'll show up and be in front of the cameras screaming about how racism still exists. And by the way, people are always going to say racist words and sexist words. And you know, I am just not a big believer in that. I'm not a believer at all in the idea that this is stopping me from getting from point A to point B. It's not really my business if somebody doesn't like black people. Personally, I think everyone's just gotten too nosy. you're allowed to when people ask me why I I don't find, you know, the inflammatory language to be such a threat and it's just dumb. I find a lot of it to be really dumb. And if you're somebody who thinks I don't want to ever date a black girl or a Spanish girl or a white girl, have at it, a man, it doesn't really impact my life. And so, a lot of the hyperfocus on that is because it keeps people constantly divided and waring and forming an opinion about stuff. doesn't actually empower any of us. And the people that are intentionally constantly stoking the flames of that um are the people at the top, of course. >> Does the does the NAACP actually do anything for the black community? >> No. >> Nothing. >> Mm- They [clears throat] just find another victim and raise money. Of course, if your entire bottom line relies upon racism existing, you don't ever want to go out. >> Duh. Common sense. It's sort of like you even saw this with Glad to give another example. Their whole grift was all about gay marriage, gay marriage, gay marriage. And then they got gay marriage. And they were like, oh, >> got any more letters in that LGBT bag? And they're like, actually, here's a T, a Q, an R. Let us invent some. >> Yeah, exactly. So, they these people are not actually looking to solve problems. They're looking to constantly have a problem that needs to be solved so that they can fund raise off of it. >> They create problems. [laughter] Like >> I mean I I feel like racial ra derogatory racial terms. I mean I just I it seems like they've completely lost the weight. >> Cuz they've overused it everything in every >> possible regard. >> Yeah. And you just also need to we just need people to be tougher. >> Like you'll be fine if somebody calls you the n-word. you'll be fine if somebody calls you a racial slur. Like, we just need to kind of build tougher people than to think that they're all coming apart because they've been called the name. Like, I want my kids to be tougher than that, you know? >> Why do you think they do you think it's for the money, the donations, whatever it is that like the NAACP, or do you think it's bigger than that? Do you think I mean, >> it can get bigger than that? >> The the divide and conquer. >> Absolutely. BLM was that example. I mean, when they get going, they can cause people to be at each other's throats waring. They will cause a civil war before they get people looking at the corruption of what they're doing. Um, and that's been tail as old as time. >> Who do you think they is? They is a lot of different people. >> Well, it depends on what we're talking about. You know, there's there's there's totally different categories of um topics that I cover on the show. You know, the biggest I think the biggest issue that we have right now in America without question is Israel. >> Israel. >> Um, and the satanic people who support what they're doing. >> Um, the bloodthirst, the control, they behave like a mafia. And I'm talking specifically about Zionists. And sometimes people will say, when you say Zionist, you mean Jews. I want to be very clear, the Judeo-Christians can be some of the most toxic gang-like people who are part of the same apparatus. So you actually can isolate it. >> Um, but I have found and which has been the experience I think of a lot of people especially over the last year. This is this is a gang. This is a mafia. This is not normal. What they did the pressure they put Charlie under. What they did to me, what they're currently doing to Megan Kelly. I mean Megan Kelly I think is probably the greatest example. What did Megan Kelly do? Like Megan Kelly was like I'm a Zionist. And they were like we don't care. You say something about Tucker Carlson right now or we will destroy you. >> And you. >> That's a mafia. >> Yeah. And me. That's a mafia. That's a That is you are with us or you are against us. And I faced that obviously in my own life and saw that and I called it out for what it is. And we uh it's by the way, we're late to the party. Michael Jackson was trying to say what it was. Kanye West was trying to say what it was. They lived through this mafia. And um finally we have people understanding that >> what did Michael Jackson say? >> Michael Jackson had a list of the six Jewish people who he said were messing with his life. Rabbi Schmoolie was on the list. I can't think of the other people that were on it and that they called him anti-semite. They called him an anti-semite because he was talking about control in Hollywood and people that he was fighting um for control. >> Who's Rabbi Schmoolley? He's just a crazy crazy deranged human. >> Am I supposed to know him? >> You Well, he had a lot to do with the Michael Jackson stuff because he called himself Michael Jackson's rabbi and um really kind of is just a person that is constantly threatening people out in the open and is somehow allowed to do it because of what his father did for the state of Israel. And often you will find that thread of the people who are the most deranged and the most psychopathic and yet somehow seem to be allowed to function in society. You just have to figure out who their parents were, who their uncles were, and they've done something for the state of Israel. So they're like in the the Zionist mafia as I describe it. It is a mafia. There's there's no question in my life. It's it's in my mind that it is a gang. >> What was Kanye saying? Well, Kanye, you know, he notoriously tweeted that he was going to go Defcon 3 on some Jewish people that had been toying with his life and nobody cared when he dropped the actual text messages from his trainer, Harley Pastnic, saying that he would put him back in the hospital and he'd never be able to see his kids again. He dropped the messages. We talk talk about a gangster threat. Like, here's how it's going to go. Harley Pastnik is a trainer and Kanye was basically before I was awake to this possibility. I was very much around him when this was all going down when he tweeted this and when Adidas pulled his contract. He was at my house and all the stuff that was going on. And he was basically I just thought he was I had no idea what he was talking about, you know? I was like very green to this concept of someone saying that their life was a Truman show. And he was like basically like are you a real person? Like even to me, are you a real person? Like and I'm like, are you good? Like what do you mean? Like you think I'm a character in a show that's are you real? He was going through this and um at its core is he felt like someone was directing his life and that the people had been controlling him and were um he was going to stand up to these people. But Harley Pastnik was his trainer. I've [snorts] covered this on my show. He's got a very checkered past. A lot of his clients have died in suspicious circumstances and he also was like former Canadian CIA like psycho psychology or something and then like decided to go be a gym trainer in LA in Hollywood. And these are handlers. Handlers are real. This is a part of the onion of the Zionist mafia in my view is the handlers who are supposed to see if they can bring you back to the side of reason. Can't you see the error of your ways? And even when you're completely right, their job is to gaslight you into thinking that you're wrong. And I've had my experience. I believe that I had handlers and didn't recognize it. But Kanye, when he kind of really woke up to that, um Harley Pastronic, he shared the message that Harley Passic, his trainer, gym trainer, wrote to him and he said, you know, here's how it's going to go. Maybe he said, you're going to say sorry or something something. And then the message reads, "Or [laughter] take you back to Cedar Sinai because Harley Passik is the one that got Kanye put on a psych 5150 hole when they drugged him." And he said, "And we'll take you back to I think he described it as La La Land." And he said, "And play dates with your kids will never be the same. We'll drug you out of your mind." >> It's in writing. And the media just let it go and said Kanye was crazy. I said, "No, Harley Passick's crazy. Who the hell is this man? That's not how a gym trainer talks. Who is this guy?" >> And so when stars, Hollywood stars have been screaming and trying to tell you that something is wrong and that they suddenly wake up to the fact that they're in a prison, the first thing that happens is another layer of the onion comes out and calls them crazy. That's how that works. They say, "This person's having an emotional breakdown." They diagnose the people. And the reason for that is because it was a that strategy of modern psychology was developed by Sigman Freud who was a Satanist. Full stop. Uh he was into Jewish mysticism, the occult, uh Sebastian Frankism and he began gaslighting kids who actually were being raped by their parents in Vienna. That is the true story of Sigman Freud. There's a book on it by the man who controlled his archives called The Assault on Truth. This is a book written by a Jewish man. So there's no anti-semitism in this book. And he worked under Anna Freud and was due to become the next director of a Sigman Freud archives. So he was a fan of psychology. He believed in Sigman Freud's theory, which was that kids are attracted to their parents. Wacky. And then he learned to speak German so that he could read Sigman Freud's notes and his letters that the public has never seen. And he realized that Sigman Freud was a complete fraud. and he rang the alarm on it and said he knew he literally saw uh and knew that these kids were being abused that these kids were being raped. In some cases in Vienna they were being raped and murdered in such satanic vicious um occult you know ceremonies that they died and he would then go to the morg. He observed their injuries. He knew it was real and he lied because he was protecting his pedophile friends. Um and so they developed Sigman Freud's contribution to society is gaslighting. He created gaslighting. So you can draw a direct line from Sigman Freud to Hollywood to modern propaganda. His nephew uh is Edward Bernay, the World War II propaganda, all of that. That's Edward Bernay to PR PR that we have today. Um that the Freud family is still the biggest PR family in the world. They do PR for the royal family. I mean, Matthew Freud and this is where we're at is gaslighting is another onion piece of a layer. So, when you realize someone's wronged you and you say this is wrong, they then send people to try to make you think that you're the crazy person. And I dealt with that firsthand, firsthand. Saw how that how the mafia moves, trying to convince me that I had done something wrong when I tweeted genocide is always wrong. The messages were insane that I received. I I had to read my tweet like a thousand times and go, did I say something in here like genocide is always wrong? >> You said genocide is wrong and then >> genocide is always wrong. Holy [ __ ] Who do you Who do you think your handlers were? [snorts] >> Um, you know, I think >> they How close to you were they? >> They were all I mean, it was very apparent, but it was all around me. Uh, it was I um I think probably the most skilled handler. uh and was Marissa. I didn't realize until that moment that you know she messaged me and said like I want to help you. You don't want to go down this route. If you go down this route I can't protect you. And I stood up for myself and the messages and I said Marissa go down what route? Like what am I doing here that's wrong? You know I'm a grown adult woman. I know what I'm saying. I believe genocide is always wrong. I mean this was all be a text message. So I still have it. Who's Marissa? >> Marissa is the CEO of Prager University. Prageru. And then of course the Daily Wire who were trying to convince me that I owed Ben an apology for saying genocide is always wrong. I mean watching that psychological element of them trying to convince me that I had done something wrong was insane. And Dave Rubin was messaging me. think it it was just full on everyone trying to explain to me like, "Let me help you." It's it's always the approach of like, "I'm your friend and I'm trying to help you realize the error of your ways." And it's just full-blown gaslighting. And I stood firm on it and was like, "No, I'm I know what I wrote." And I I meant every word of it. Genocide is always wrong. Still stand by that. Yeah, you got to be careful. How do you hire? >> Well, >> that's like the most I get so [ __ ] paranoid when I have to hire. >> I hate I mean, everybody hates hiring. >> I really [ __ ] hate hiring. >> cuz I don't trust anybody. >> Yeah, I trust my gut. >> How do you find your people? Well, I've benefited from the fact that I've had the same people on my team for over 5 years now. So, when I got fired from a Daily Wire, my team came with me, which was a tremendous vote of confidence at the time cuz we didn't know, we didn't have anything. We were just sort of like, look, we can't give you any benefits. We don't know if this is going to work, obviously. And the Daily Wire at that time was paying, you know, a lot of money. They had benefits. They had no they had security and you know my editor came over, my producer came over, technical director um and so it was a tremendous vote of confidence that they came over with me. So they I know that they believe in me and they believe in what I'm doing. So I am I'm lucky that we don't have a high turnover rate and I haven't had to be trusting and I've just I'm just very grateful I think for for to have that and we're we're tight. We have we have a good time. We have fun. I believe in seal team six. I like the t to keep the team small and effective. I don't care about, you know, appearances and having 90 people working for me and, you know, I can dress myself and all this is. So, it's a it's a small team. And when we do have to hire, I I go with my gut. We recently hired um a new director and he's been fantastic. And the reason why he was great is he just totally sits outside of the entire wheelhouse of politics. So he just was just a burst of fresh air and you know loves to research just a great positive attitude and you have to want to be around the people too. >> You spend a lot of time you're fighting a lot of battles with them >> and so you want to keep them motivated and have a good time and be able to laugh and enjoy each other have the same values in life. I think everybody on my team is in a really good place in life, like fulfilled by their relationships, by their marriages. Um, so it just it feels good. >> Yeah, we're in a good spot. >> All right, let's go back a couple years. Where did you go to where'd you go to college after I >> went to the University of Rhode Island? That incident in high school happened when it was in my senior year. So, it kind of threw my entire senior year into chaos. And I'm lucky I even applied to college. I almost didn't even apply cuz it was so crazy. And URI was like close enough. I just applied to URI, got in, went there. >> What' you want to study? >> English and journalism. I have a double major in English and journalism. So I think it's quite fitting. [laughter] >> Where do we go from there? >> Where do I where did I go from there? Mhm. >> So, actually the story is I had I finished my degree later because Sally May had a huge collapse and um didn't give me my loan for my senior year of college. I have senior year issues. I've realized [laughter] you've got some senior year issues. And um so I had to figure it out. Sally May basically was like, "You have one year before we start knocking on your door and demanding your firstborn child." I had 100k in student loan debt. They weren't going to pay for the last year. crazy. I could wax poetic the industry of student loans. It's it's so predatory finding poor people and getting them to pledge. It's just to be in debt for the rest of their lives. But um I then moved to New York City. I had no plan. I picked up a job nannying um and was like while I was nannying if I could just start applying for jobs because these loans were starting to um uh haunt me. I needed to make some money and get out of debt. And so I was like if I get my foot in the door anywhere I can sell myself. I can like I can learn anything. I'm a really hard worker. And my second interview at a private equity firm, I saw that like they pay their assistants really well, these private equity guys. And so my second interview at a private equity firm, I got hired to be a second assistant and hired on the spot, which was fantastic. And then I stayed with that company for four years. And when I left, I was like the vice president of the administration. >> They were fantastic to me. I was treated really well. Um, and I got to travel the world because it was one of those jobs where I had to do everything. Everything. I mean his wife >> did you just say you went from second assistant to VP of the entire company in four years? >> VP of the administration. It was a small company. So I don't want to make it wasn't like there was like a thousand employees. It was like a almost like a family style trade desk. Um a true private equity structure. Um I mean maybe 18 employees which was nice. It's actually is part of the reason why I like the idea of a small team cuz I saw it work >> and [snorts] you know they were killers. We worked really hard and I got to meet a lot of really cool people. They invested also in movies and um there was a lot of traveling involved. So I got to see the world on somebody else's dime which was great too because he also when he had crises happening in his personal life he really trusted me to just learn anything and figure it out. Whether it was building a house in Monttok, whether it was I mean I ended up with Snoop Dogg in Croatia, you know what I mean? like there's just so there were so many crazy adventures. Uh and no two days were the same. So I had a fantastic time while I was there and um I was there to pay off my student loans and I so every time bonus season came around I would just ask him to pay another chunk you know hey can you pay another chunk? Pay another chunk and he did. I was working for the principal there and so I they also even put me through went down to learn Spanish. I moved to Costa Rica for was it a eight-week program and you live with a family that doesn't speak any English because he had a wife that was Spanish speaking and so she hired a lot of Spanish staff and I was like well I got to learn the language I can't manage the staff if I don't know the language and so because they traveled you know everyone goes to Montalk or the Hamptons for the summer I was like I just I found a program can you pay for me to go down there I'll learn Spanish and so I did that >> you learned so you speak Spanish >> yeah well I'm now really really rusty, but I did I was fluent in Spanish and um I can understand Spanish though. And so yeah, I mean I really lived a lot in those 4 and 1/2 years um that I was there, saw a lot of the world and just I always wanted to grow. I always wanted I I like learning. I like learning. I like focusing. Anything that I put my mind to, I feel like I can learn. And um that was kind of my introduction to I mean there's no place if you can make it in New York, you can make it anywhere. That's the expression. And I I I live by that. I really do believe that cuz it's it's such a tough city. >> What were you doing at Vogue? >> So that's when I was interning initially. I I was um interning and I did the whole magazine circuit. So I did 17 magazine, I did Glamour magazine, and I did Vogue, which was the big one that everyone wants to get into. And it was of course as somebody who loved to write. I majored in English and journalism. That was my glamorous idea was that I was going to go move to New York City and I don't know be Carrie Bradshaw from Sex in the City. I don't know what my idea was. It was in retrospect a little bit cartoonish. And then when I got there I just culturally was like yeah I don't even want to do this. You know this is not where I want to work. The girls were so vicious, so hungry. So, [laughter] you know, and but I learned a lot. I mean, they would have fond memories of me. I worked my butt off and that was why I kind of graduated up to the magazines and was the head of the intern closet, so to speak, at Vogue and made great friends. So, I've kind of I've been a lot of places really when I think about it. >> Say that >> New York was tough. It was fun. It was a lot of lessons learned and they even the um the private equity firm even let me take because I I wanted to learn a little bit about private equity you know I became a notary because anytime they were like we need this I was like how many times am I going to get a notary in here why don't I just become a notary that's kind of person I am like so I just became took the test and became a notary and then um did this NYU accounting course as well because I wanted to understand a little bit more about the finance side of what we were doing because I was interested in the deals they were really all so different that were being brought. Um, so it was fun. It was a lot of fun. >> It's 3:00 a.m. You hear a noise in the house, and in that moment, you do not want to be fumbling around looking for keys, hoping a battery still works, or trying to figure out a plan for the first time. That's exactly why I like Stopbox. 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I mean, liberal in the youth sense. I think it's weird when my husband says he was always conservative. I'm like, what's wrong with you? He's the rare person who was always conservative and I was liberal. Like in the way that you don't know anything and it just kind of sounds better even. Are you a liberal or conserv? I'm a liberal. I'm a liberal. What do you mean? And and I think anytime >> What do you mean? >> Yeah. What do you mean? Before you have bills, life is so it's so easy to be like idealistic when you don't have to pay bills and you don't really comprehend the issues. Then you lean into the emotional issues and like live and let live. You love these like stupid bumper sticker expressions. You see it all so nice. that fits your like AIM profile, you know, like, oh, let me find a quotation to put on my going away message on [snorts] AIM, you know, like the youth, you're liberal when you're young. There's that expression, I gosh, who's who who says the expression that if you're not a liberal when you're young, you don't have a heart. If you're not a conservative, when you die, you don't have a brain. [laughter] So, >> then you suddenly you're paying taxes and you're like, "Hey, where's this money going?" like [laughter] why am I working so hard where and then you you know your your philosophy changes a bit as you get older but I never was politically inclined so I never voted Democrat I was just I would have very much described myself as a liberal and if you had asked me any topic I would have been I would have been across the Democratic party line if I was actually voting but I wasn't. What switched you? >> Um, you know, I had this curious set of in of circumstances that brought me to like the something that was known as the Gamergate conspiracy. >> What is that? >> Honestly, I still couldn't tell you to be honest with you cuz I am not a gamer as I just said, but I was like Alice in Wonderland and was trying to I I put up a Kickstarter to put together a company. I had this idea after I paid down all of my student loans and I had a little savings account that I wanted to start and it was maybe maybe all heart nobrain a company that would get kids into to be able to like get in trouble on the internet without having these consequences like being arrested. And so my bright idea was that I was going to create this company called Social Autopsy and if they got in trouble online they they wouldn't like get into legal trouble and rather than that it would sort of help them like I don't know maybe get suspended or something like it was like my way of trying to write the wrongs maybe misguided from what happened in high school totally misguided and I was very green and I put it up on Kickstarter and I got this weird call from this girl called Zoe Quinn gamers who are watching this will know exactly who this is. They'll be like, "Yes, the gamer. That's that's how I knew you or whatever." And it was really weird because she was telling me she was a victim and that I couldn't make this company. She misunderstood what we were even thinking about doing. She thought we had we're going to build a technology like a Silicon Valley technology to unmask trolls on the internet, which was not at all what we were doing. We had no capability to do this. We had a splash page. That's why we were on Kickstarter. I had no connections to be able to do that. But her call, she was saying she was a victim, but it was very obvious she was threatening me. And I didn't know anything about this girl or gamer gay. And um long story short, after I hang up the phone call with her, I start getting hit with a bunch of threats online. And it was very obvious to me that this girl was directing threats. Just my gut instinct that something was wrong with this girl. And I landed myself into the middle of a hu like huge gamer gate like war that was being covered extensively by Breitbart. I'm I'm really just always in the wrong place at the wrong time. And so suddenly next thing Washington Post is calling me. I'm not known at this time. They're calling me and they're ask and I'm thinking these are my friends. Like I went to school Washington Post that is the top-of-the-line journalism. I learned this in school. like what? I'm so flattered to be able to give you this interview. And I spoke to this girl, Caitlyn Dewey was her name. I'll never forget that. And she interview, she was so nice on the phone and I said to her, "Yeah." And I explained to her what happened. I'm like, "I really don't think that girl's Obie Quinn is telling the truth because, you know, she was a victim and said that she was harassed on by gamers." And so she kind of built a whole 501c3 platform based off of that. And I guess the Gamergate conspiracy was that she was actually leading an army of trolls. And that was just my experience with her in four seconds, you know, and I had no idea like I what was going on or what the back was just like that girl um is led trolls against me and that girl wasn't a victim. And boy was that a big statement. Anyway, the Washington Post after they interviewed me, Caitlyn Dwey, also New York Magazine, I believe it was, or the New Yorker, Jesse Signal or Single was his name, Signal, they lied and like smeared me after I thought these guys were my friends and like I was I told them the truth and they were like protecting this girl Zoe Quinn. It was so weird. And this was the entire thrust of the Gamergate conspiracy was that this girl was being artificially protected, that she was actually leading an army of trolls and pretending that we needed to do something about men and gamers on the internet. And this is kind of like the preamble to the Hillary Clinton campaign, which became very much like we kind of got into this anti- masculinity, men are toxic. It was kind of the preamble to that. And I think she had a real fear that if I had created this technology which could unmask trolls that it was going to expose that she everything the gamer conspiracy theorists were saying was true. >> That was my read on the situation. And so she was being protected and I never really I mean I'm just not a gamer. I just didn't know. But the only people that actually gave me a fair shake in the media who I spoke to was Breitbart, which was crazy cuz I thought they were like the white supremacist, you know, my Connecticut um Democratic surroundings, blue liberalish mind. I was really reticent to speak to them and then they wrote the truth about what I had said. So I was kind of like, what the heck is going on? Why is up down and down up? Uh, and at this at this time, at the same time, Trump was running. And so I was kind of questioning my allegiance to leftist media, so to speak, because of how I was treated, and I didn't really comprehend when I just told them the truth about this random chick. And um, Trump, they were saying, was like a racist, a white supremacist, all of this stuff. And I was willing to at least listen to the other side because I now did not trust the Washington Post. And so I decided to just listen to like a Trump speech without having it filtered for me by CNN or MSNBC and I heard his like pitch to black America and he was in Dimundell, Michigan at the time and he said, you know, black America and he sort of listed all of the ways in which black Americans are struggling like the statistics just the like the raw statistics and he said why don't you just take a chance on me? What do you have to lose? Just do something different. You vote Democrat every every four years. And I was like, you know, fair elevator p elevator pitch. I like it. Whatever. Still not going to get my vote, but like whatever. And then I pivoted to my trusted sources over at CNN and like Don Lemon was like crying over and was like he looked black America in the face and he said, "You are poor. You are pathetic. You can't do this." And I was like, "That didn't that didn't happen at all. That's not what he said." He gave a kind of reasonable pitch. You've been doing the same thing. Why don't you try something different? And so that began a huge, man, could I have had this thing wrong? Like, are Republicans not all racist and backwards? Like, is there something I'm missing here? And me just sort of being the naturally curious person that I am who wants to learn more. I kind of privately began that pursuit and it led me to Thomas Soul and his work and his books and it changed my life. I I really uh love Thomas Soul. I feel like he's like my private tutor who I've never met. >> Right [snorts] on. Do you still consider yourself to be a conservative? >> I'm always going to be a conservative. I actually realized I always was a conservative. I was raised with my grandfather. He was conservative, a Republican. >> Yeah, I guess I guess there is a difference now, huh? >> And I guess there always has been cuz like I was liberal, but I wasn't a Democrat. I didn't vote Democrat. Um or I thought I was liberal, but actually I was raised conservatively and my values were always conservative and I am a conservative. I um I think it works. I think family works and that's the most what are we conserving at the end of the day is the question. And to me it's it's traditional families. I think that's our best guard against the government. >> I think so too. Honestly, I think that's almost the only that's might be the only thing that we can >> I don't know. You [clears throat] you had said something earlier about, you know, we were talking about do you feel like it's your responsibility to do what you do? And then you'd said you you really trust your gut when you're hiring I don't know, man. I trust my gut, but maybe I don't [ __ ] trust my gut because the leadup to this last election was just all lies. >> Something happened to Trump, right? But something happened to all of them. >> Yeah. Well, >> every single one of them. >> Who? Who else? >> Except Joe Kent. >> I wasn't I mean, what did you expect from Marco Rubio? >> Absolutely nothing. Exactly what we see. >> Exactly. I The person that I think I placed stock in was Trump. And we got played. I mean, there's no other way to say it. we got it's kind of shocking the ways that he lied. And so you have to then go why this is nothing like Trump 1.0. Trump 2.0 is totally different. And the obvious answer is I think that Trump desperately by any means necessary wanted to win again. felt the election like many people do feel was a stolen from him in 2020. Co changing the way we vote. I totally agree with that by the way. Uh and his entire life's mission then transformed into I will do anything to win again including making a deal with the devil and selling my soul. >> That's what you think happened. >> And he took 300 million from Miriam Mlesen. Something that he once mocked Marco Rubio from doing. He tweeted once about Sheldon Aden owning Marco Rubio. And you don't take 300 million from people who run the Vegas. >> A very generous woman. >> You don't take 300 million from people who run Vegas and tell them no about anything. That's how it works. You that you could talk about that in the micro level. You know this stuff growing up. Basic survival skills like when people, you know, you don't borrow money from people unless you know who they are. like and that's can apply to gangs. You know, you it's time to pay up. And so Trump is not his own man, plain and simple. Trump is not running this administration. It wasn't a gift. It wasn't, "Hey, I really love what you're doing. Here's $300 million." You know, it came with contingencies, demands, one of it being that they wanted to annex the West Bank, which was something that was told to me by Charlie and Andrew Kovat who were present for that meeting between Morson and Donald Trump that she said that I'll cut you this check. But I when we want to annex the West Bank, that's what he they wanted in exchange. So now I think he probably has a little bit of regret taking the money. >> You think so? >> I think so. I don't think he likes not being his own man. I think that's what a lot of the lashing out is about. I think Trump at his core wants to be liked and I think he knows he's not liked right now. >> You think he'll ever be liked again? >> Me neither. >> How much wealth has he amassed since he took this presidency? >> The better question is how much more do they need? How much more does the Trump family need? I mean, when Ivanka swimming to Albania, like what? Like, how much more money do you guys need? When is enough enough? >> Never. >> Yeah. And that's why you feel like they fully have given themselves in because none of them were like that before. >> You don't think so? >> No. I think I spent a lot of time with Don Jr., Don Trump Jr., and he was a real person and he was certainly a very close friend of Charlie's. He shocked me the most after the assassination because I knew Don and I challenged right away. I challenged him. I said if Don Jr. who hunts, that's the guy he knows the wilderness. If Don Jr. comes out and says he believes that Charlie's neck stopped a 306 bullet, I'll back off. I don't think Don Jr.'s even spoken about Charlie's assassination since I think a lot of people are are going to go to hell for an eternity. I know a lot of people are going to go to hell for an eternity. But the level of talk about the mourning process of realizing that Charlie gave so much of his life to put those people into power contending with that level of betrayal transformed me. >> So to answer your question, no, I don't consider myself to be a Republican. Yes, I do consider myself to be a conservative. >> Yeah, I'm the same. I I don't even know what the [ __ ] this means. I don't even know if I'll ever vote again. >> That's how I feel. >> Probably not. I don't I just, you know, going through this and uncovering everything that we've uncovered, nothing's changed. I don't know about you, but for me, it's a [ __ ] ton of stress being associated with these people. Now they have my number. They can reach me. I [ __ ] hate that [ __ ] >> And then what was it all for? This [ __ ] that we see. Do you think this needed to happen? >> What needed to happen? >> This veil to be lifted. >> Yeah, I have to believe that. I have to believe it. I I am at my core an eternal optimist and I don't want to give into like despair and I have to believe that Charlie was right that his death was going to happen because it would be tied to a global awakening. And I've seen that. I've seen the seeds of that. I've seen the sprouts of that. I see the incredible audience that I have amassed around the world. I mean going to Russia recently and realizing how big the becoming Breijit series was. I had I had no idea. Um there is true evil being exposed and it was easy for evil to control the world when we were dumb and stupid and thought it was impossible. Right? things these some of these conspiracies I mean the fact that we are having real discussions about Freemasonry about the occult about true demons about what demonic possession is that you can sit here across from Father Riper and I read the comments and that was a transformative episode by the way uh but to see all the comments of like I need to go to church now this episode made me want to go to church not this guy's crazy what's he on the Exorcist is just a movie just a Hollywood Hollywood movie. Um, that's uplifting. I think that's uplifting and it had to happen there. I think we as a society needed shock treatment and Charlie's death was shocking in so many ways, not just the death, the administration's reaction to it, the his wife. There were there's so many shock points. It shocked the senses in so many ways. It made us consider things that were so beyond the realm of what we I think could have ever thought feasible. I think his his assassination had to be live streamed and people who are >> some ritualistic thing or >> Yeah. So for two the people who orchestrated his assassination it was ritualistic. I think that they wanted it to be publicized in that way. because they thought they were then going to harness our emotion from having seen it to their benefit. And what it did was it certainly did harness emotion, but it was not to their benefit. The emotional reaction that happened if they could have controlled it and built a conduit for it would have been amazing if they could have just channeled it as they wanted to. literally channeling energy, a form of witchcraft, right? Um, and they wanted to channel that energy toward Erica, who I in my honest to God perspective, I believe she is a tried andrue psychopath truly. And I'm not saying that to be theatrical. I'm I'm, you know, not trying to be hyperbolic. I mean a clinical psychopath. I um and I think that is what has shocked them is that they couldn't do it. And so Charlie's death contributed to an awakening and I have to keep that perspective that um you know >> keep going. >> They they didn't even look into his own assassination attempt. >> Trump. >> Butler. They [ __ ] blocked the investigation. >> What do you think that was? >> I covered that recently on my show and there is a it should be reopened and I think it was a successful assassination of Corey Comparator. I think >> was that the firefighter? >> I met his daughter. >> Did you? >> The inauguration that I never should have [ __ ] went to. Yeah. Well, they don't believe the story. Um, they are not satisfied. His family is not satisfied with the And there was a a strange set of circumstances of his best friend from high school having died a couple of years earlier from a plausibly PETN explosive. And um I covered that recently. The >> an explosive. Mhm. Mhm. He um worked with them and uh I covered it recently on my show. This >> the firefighter that was killed worked at the PET plant. His best friend died a couple of years earlier and worked at um basically worked he was a supervisor at a company that dealt with patent explosives because they perforated the wells for oil and gas companies which requires the patent explosive. He died in a mysterious set of circumstances in his backyard where he was burning stuff in a barrel and something exploded and ironically hit his neck and he died instantly. Um, and he his friends didn't believe the circumstances surrounding his death. I had heard rumors of an illegal explosive ring, sort of people getting pet in um, illegally. And Corey was this guy's friend since high school. There's a lot of questions about, you know, shortly after Corey died, Israel did their beeper pet and explosive attack within like 2 months. It was very quickly. That's weird. Um, all of the stuff could be considered conspiracy, but I think what adds weight to conspiracies are a lack of answers. When there's a lack of answers, conspiracies become weighted. And you can't tell me that it's normal for a man to survive an assassination attempt and shut down the investigation into his own assassination attempt. That doesn't make sense. Trump can't make that make sense. >> You think he knows? >> That's why he's blocking the investigation. Is it him blocking it or is it the FBI? Well, if Tucker is to be believed, you can decide whether you believe Tucker or whether you believe Dan Bonino, but I'm going to go with Tucker Carlson. [laughter] >> Yeah, I I'll go with Tucker on that. >> I'm going to go with Tucker. And Dan's reaction to what Tucker said was very strange. He was like, I'll going to beat up Tucker Carlson or something. I was like, Tucker Carlson's not going to fight you. What is wrong with you? But he came undone when Tucker revealed the conversation they had. And Tucker seemed to be telling the truth that, you know, Dan said that Trump blocked it personally. And that's reflected even in what Don Trump Jr. said. He said, "My dad is satisfied with the investigation. I'm not. And I'm going to leave it there." So clearly the directive had gone out from Trump that no more talk about Butler. So make that make sense. You survive an assassination attempt. You're now number one in charge of the country. Why would you not just >> I have no idea why you wouldn't want to know who's trying to [ __ ] kill you. >> It just makes like turning. >> It doesn't make sense to me. >> Yeah. They don't >> I don't know why it makes sense to so many other [ __ ] people, but it doesn't make sense to me. I would I would want to know who's trying to kill >> Yeah. So, there's something we're missing about Butler. And there it's the exact same like stage, so to speak. um the exact same play as a Charlie Kirk >> where everyone who should be the most curious about investigating is very much not curious about investigating angry at people that are investigating and attacking people who want to get answers. The public's going to notice that. The public's going to notice that something's not right. Like [snorts] >> and they're going to begin to suspect the people who purport to be the victims. Why do you think nobody in this administration's speaking up? What do you think? Do you think they're all under the same control or are they all under Trump's control? >> We know that Charlie represented almost a solitary voice maybe outside of JD Vancees in terms of trying to communicate to Trump that getting involved with Iran was a bad idea. That administration is not working for Donald Trump. They're working for Obviously, Trump is powerless. Everyone can see that. >> It's just it's just I mean I had Cash Patel sitting right across from me at the other studio and we just went on and on about the Epstein [ __ ] on and on and on and then nothing. Where I mean where's Cash Patel from? He's from Vegas. If P Cash Patel has ever had any power in his life, his power came from that entire city was built by Israel. You know, Mary Mson has served the IDF. Sheldon Adlesen said his biggest regret was not having served the IDF. They've never been I mean, Trump said it on stage. She's more loyal to Israel than she is to our country. I mean, it's not a secret. Vegas is a dangerous place. People say what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. No, stays in Vegas and gets sent over to Tel Aviv. It's just a city of blackmail to be honest with you. And um they're all kind of tied there. They're all kind of tied in my in my view to Vegas. I mean, Andrew Kovat, he's from Reno. His dad did, you know, legal work on the casinos and it's like this thing his brother served. There was, you know, from the Reno unit that went over and were guarding the poppy seeds in Afghanistan. That was his brother was like Colonel Lieutenant on that. That was just Poppy trafficking. After that, we had the opioid crisis. What do we think these wars are about? You know, >> who what did we win in Afghanistan? Poppy seats. An opioid crisis. What do you think is going to happen in the midterms? What? Actually, let me let me back up. Now you see Trump speaking out against Israel. You see Vance I don't buy it either. You see Trump and Vance now all of a sudden it's like where the [ __ ] did this come from? It all seems very performative to me and I'm not sure why they're moving to I guess this new act, so to speak. >> They're destroyed. >> Yeah, maybe because midterms are >> completely destroyed. >> Maybe because midterms are around the corner. >> Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, they're [ __ ] destroyed. >> So, they're going to pretend he's like Mr. Tough Guy again and standing up to BB. It's all very performance. >> Do you think people are going to buy this [ __ ] >> Do you think Israel's in on the act? >> Yes. Me too. >> I think you should take the MSAD at their word when they say we are the directors, the actors. We can infiltrate any organization, um, any company. We're the script writers. I believe that >> that's a 60 Minutes interview, right? >> Yeah. after referring to, you know, how they were able to infiltrate and get the PETN explosive pin um into the beepers and how they created all these fake companies with, you know, fake employees. And I think about when I hear those words Charlie and his life and how I think it became an is an Israeli Truman show. But similar for Trump, everyone around him is just working for a higher boss and it's the Rothschilds and it's Israel. So all of that all of that is performative. I I mean I couldn't be motivated to vote for midterms. >> Yeah, me neither. Especially after what we saw happen with Thomas Massie where they're just so in our face about it now where they're like, "We don't like you. If you have a point against Israel, we'll spend." >> That's that's the only thing I can't really put together in my head is we see this act. We see all of a sudden everybody's a tough guy against Israel. Like, ah, right. Okay. >> Right around the corner from midterms. I also don't really believe in the election system because of all kinds of [ __ ] we've seen. Spencer Pratt's race, probably the most recent one, Massiey's race. So if the if the elections are phony, then why do they give a [ __ ] about the act? >> Because the illusion matters. >> Why does it matter? >> Because they need Think about if truly tomorrow they came out and said, "Your vote doesn't mean anything. We've been running the election since the beginning of time. Um, we kill people in broad daylight. Yeah, we did JFK. We did Charlie in and uh we're going to keep doing whatever the hell we want. So, f you. >> You think something would actually happen? because I It's actually something Charlie said to me when we were traveling once. He said little one of his little pop quizzes. What is one thing that every civilization who's ever had that's that has ever had slavery since the beginning of human history? What is one thing that every single one of those civilizations has in power has has in common? >> I don't know. >> I didn't know either. And he said there were always more slaves than masters and [snorts] that always stuck with me. The few are able to get all of us to behave. So what they fear is a real revolution. That's why they always stoke the flames of internal unrest because if all of us were in lock step and we're like, let's go kill these pedophiles, you know, [laughter] let's go take care of business. That's the biggest threat to the system, a revolution that they don't control. So instead, they create revolutions over stupidity. >> Trans bathroom rights keep them focused and arguing about stuff that doesn't matter at all. BLM, racial strife, you know, why isn't there a George Floyd square? This is fodder for idiots. While they buy islands, they take up land, they destroy heritage, they rewrite history. 20 years from now, they they'll say, you already heard, I think, Jerry Seinfeld say Palestine doesn't exist. He's a man of the future. They'll rewrite history. They'll say they were the victims. It all started on October 7th. and um they'll wipe away entire identities. I mean, good for the people in Albania who are standing up from to the Israeli settlers right now. Don't know what their plan is there, but something's going on. And um that's that's their biggest threat. So, they have to get you to believe in the illusion of elections because you have to think you can change it and that your voice matters. Who do you think's going to be the next president? I mean, Poly Market right now puts Vance at the top. And then two points below is Rubio and Gavin Newsome tied. >> Rubio? What? What? Absolutely not. Well, I mean, maybe with Apac money, anything happens Golden Boy. >> Yeah, maybe with Apac money, anything could happen. You know, I'm not into political prognostications. I wouldn't put any of those people uh if we had a fair system. I wouldn't put any of those people in the bucket for who would be the next president. I mean um if we're talking about on the Democratic side, yeah, I think they're going to run Gavin Newsome. That's probably accurate. But on the Republican side, there is a an apathy that's setting in. And I don't see how Vance gets around everything Trump did. I don't see how Vance gets around what happened in Iran. I don't see how Vance is able to talk his way out of that. >> Oh, welcome to tell you how >> all these Catholics are really leaning into being Catholic now because it's the fastest growing Christian denomination in the world. So, they're leaning into that. >> I don't think that's going to be enough. >> Nope. >> They're leaning into it pretty hard. >> Have you seen it? I think he missed an opportunity um to stand up to Trump on some of those points and his unnecessary tweet against the pope. I I don't think that Catholics are tough. >> I know. I'm just one group that have not been socially engineered. >> I'm watching. >> And they're they're trying they're really trying to tap into it. >> I don't think it's going to work. I think people are so much more awake to and especially the and I'm going to call this and I don't mean to attack Vance on this but just more broadly speaking the faith grift post Charlie people have their antennas up >> cuz that's been the entire turning point thing and it's felt has not registered it's felt inauthentic and sure that was like a part of the evangelical world but there have been a a lot of I think missed opportunities for Vance to not write about being a Catholic or say he's a Catholic, but to stand up to the stuff that's happening in the administration that's just downright ungodly. You know, you bomb a school with 150 school girls in it and then they lie about it [snorts] and then it's sort of like whatever. I don't know BB wanted us to do it. It's I think it's going to be hard for him to get around it. So I But anything can happen in a world where elections are fake and gay. Anything can happen. Marco Rubio could be the next president of the United States. [snorts] Someone they can control. >> I hope Massie runs. I hope Joe Kent runs. >> He's great. >> I really like Joe Kent. >> Yeah, he is fantastic. I'd like to see him run as well. And I think he the way that he resigned and wrote about his conscience and also the nastiness that Trump threw at him about his wife. I couldn't I mean I was just absolutely shocked. >> Nothing makes my skin crawl more than a [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] that never served the [ __ ] country talking [ __ ] about a guy who served the country whose wife was [ __ ] assassinated by al-Qaeda with one of my really good [ __ ] friends, Scotty. Words. >> I'm glad he did it. I'm glad I did it because I think servicemen and women needed to see that because that is the perspective that Israel holds of the men that serve. >> I believe that. I believe that it is. You are toy soldiers and >> we're slaves. >> Yeah. You're slaves. >> We're slaves. We're all slaves. >> I've had a real awakening about that. >> We have to be tax mules sending our money to Israel >> and our sons and daughters to die for them. Y >> and people should not serve. I've been strong on that. It's like our our country is occupied. You are not signing up to serve for the United States military. Your streets are not going to become more paved. Your streets are not going to become safer. Um your schools are not going to become better. Theirs will. So, uh if that is a draw for you, then sign up and serve uh the United States of Israel. But th this is where we can make a difference. >> I just had a really get deployed a green beret. I won't even say what group he's at. And he jokingly, but you can see it in his [ __ ] eyes, says, "Uh, I'm getting deployed early. I got to go fight for Israel." >> And you could just He wants out. He's talking about a [ __ ] >> leave. That simple. >> There's a legal means to leave the military. And I encourage on my show every man and woman to do it because at the end of the day, the best laid plans don't work without bodies. And I think they learned that lesson in Iran. They couldn't get people to get behind it. That's why they need the propaganda machine. They needed people to be behind it and they weren't. And that that terrifies them truly. The idea of Americans not signing up for the military. That's an existential threat. I could see it in Pete Hagath's eyes as he's like, "We're going to raise the age people to join the military." I bet you are. What does that tell me? The numbers are low. People are waking up. So if you if you if you want to go be big bad and and take over Palestine and do do it by with your sons and daughters. >> I mean for a Green Beret to not want to go to war, one of the [ __ ] highest trained units in the [ __ ] United States, like legit war fighters, doesn't want to go to war cuz he's knows it's not he knows it's not for us. And he's not the only one. It's all of them. Mhm. >> It's [ __ ] all of them. >> And when you get back, you could be so lucky as to have given your entire body to have lifelong ailments, to not be able to get appointments at the VA. And if you're really lucky, I mean, really lucky, the president can tweet mocking the fact that your wife died and you got remarried serving the country. >> Yep. >> Who doesn't want to sign up? Sign up Well, I mean, now there's all this talk about the draft. >> Why? Because it's not there. But guess what? You're better off better off spending a year in jail uh than going to fight for Israel. So, it's like, how far are they going to take this? So, are they going to be like Ukraine dragging people off the street like thugs? >> Probably. >> That's that's the threat that they need. You can't Okay, you guys want it, Zionist, you got you're so big and bad and powerful. Send your sons and daughters. Your sons and daughters first. I will not let my my my boys won't serve. Not in this in this environment. It's not it's not an honor to serve the country that we live in right now. The occupied country that we live in right >> Yeah. That's how I feel. Call me if we're getting invaded. I'm done going overseas. >> Best thing to do is defend your neighborhoods, >> defend your families, build smaller communities. That's what I encourage people to do on my learn to farm. that that's the real difference you can make. >> Let's take another break. >> There's a point where you realize you're doing the same things you used to do, but your body just responds differently. Same workouts, same effort, same discipline, but recovery takes longer. Energy isn't as steady, and you don't bounce back the way you used to. And once you notice that, you start asking questions. Is it stress? Is it sleep? Is it age? Is it hormones? That's when guys start looking into testosterone. And that space gets confusing fast. 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Please All right, Candace, we're back from the break and let's get back to you. Degree 180. >> Yeah, just a blog that I had when I was young. I just love to write. I was always writing. I mean, I my earliest memories writing was like in third grade. I was writing poems. Like as soon as I could learn to write, it felt like and it felt like such an escape for me. I used to like write songs and poetry and I just still love writing. I I'm like one of the rare people that actually wrote both of her books. People usually uh get a ghostriter and it's it's probably my favorite pastime. Like it's something that I genuinely enjoy doing for me. And so with degree 180, I got a bunch of girls together to just put together a blog and let everybody write about whatever they wanted to write about, which is funny cuz now they take articles that I didn't write, but because it was like my blog, but it clearly was written by another person, but like she operated a blog where someone said that Trump had tiny hands and I'm like, yeah. And someone else, you know, did a whole article bashing Hillary writing his expression. I let everybody write whatever they wanted to write. So, um, yeah, just it was a fun passion project of mine. >> From there, I then started making videos on YouTube. It was uh all pretty back toback and um I I launched my YouTube channel in the fall of no in August of 17, right? I think is when I launched my YouTube channel. as Red Pill Black and just started when BLM stuff was heating up, I sort of was making funny videos on YouTube and they started they did pretty well. It would get 100,000 views here which is great for a new content creator. >> Yeah, no kidding. >> And I did this little funny skit, Mom, Dad, I'm a conservative, which I wrote my cousin who I was telling you was the person that was with me the most when I was really sick. I was just kind of coming out of that. She recorded it, I wrote it, and we just shot it and it did pretty well. And then I think it was like the third video I did. Um there's an account online. I don't know if you're familiar with Anomaly. He lifted the video and it was me discussing um Black Lives Matter, I think it was, and he put it on to Facebook and it got 26 million views. >> 26 million views. I mean, it went absolutely viral. >> Holy. And that's your third video? >> Yeah. I don't know if it was about BLM, actually. It was my third video and it was about I can't remember what the topic was. It just was so crazy to me, but it just went completely viral. And then I got the call from Fox News. It was Jesse Waters team that said, "Come on, Waters World." And the rest really was history. I got an invite to go uh it all happened so quickly. It was unbelievable. Uh after f doing Fox News, I then got an invite to go down to David Haritz's Freedom Center and that's where I met Charlie and people told him he had to hire me like after I gave my little presentation. I was just on a panel talking about my experience and um yeah, it went >> So you started your own YouTube channel. >> Did three videos then you get connected with Charlie Kirk. >> That is the truth. it. I mean it in that order. It was it must have been my third or fourth video. It was super quick and I can't remember. I can't remember the topic. Maybe it was feminism. It was it was just some topic that I was riffing on. It just went absolutely viral. Got >> Do you still Is that video still up? >> Yeah, I'm still Is this still the same YouTube channel? You can go back and watch the early days skits with very poor quality camera just doing it from my granddad's house. I And it was just Yeah. Literally me and my cousin. And I was like, "Can you hold the camera? I'm just going to film something." And then I edited it myself and put it up as Red Full Black was the moniker I was using. And it was fun, you know, it was very fun. And then I just sort of started doing videos, talking about various topics. And then Charlie hired me to do the same thing for Turning Point USA. And then [snorts] to be the communications director because I think he thought she's good at communicating if she's able to get all these people to watch her videos. And uh we just then had an absolute blast. Then we were traveling everywhere the entire country other countries doing just building building building. >> What channel is this on? >> Which channel? >> Is the channel called Red Pill Black? >> You know, you can just name your YouTube channel whatever you want. The Sean Ryan show. I just named mine Red Pill Black. Is I was thinking like, oh, here's a Red Pill for Black America was kind of my thought process there. And then I think it was Charlie who told me, you don't want to have people meeting you and going, oh, you're Red Pill Black. You know, you want to use your name. And I was like, oh, okay. So, I just switched the channel name over to Candace Owens and um yeah, I still have >> Is that your channel or is that Daily Wire's channel? >> No, I I had to pause my channel. I really kind of paused it when I started working for Turning Point USA cuz then I was making videos for them >> and so you'll see that gap. I kind of only made a few videos really and then completely stopped and was doing work for Turning Point USA and still making videos but making the content for them. So it was TPUSA videos really about various topics which were still you know doing very well and then had kind of the fi the firepower of I don't have to edit my own videos and things of that nature. Uh and uh then when I took the job at then I was at prayer you so am I >> hold on hold on. So how I mean I know you and Charlie were obviously very close. How fast did that relationship develop >> right away? Because it was such a small organization and this is before they had the offices in Arizona, right? So Turning Point was small. I I if I remember correctly and people could obviously go back. It's a public company, but they were under 10 million a year, I think, when I want to say like they had cleared like 6 million a year maybe. And it was fun. It was I like when it's just a small company and it feels like a startup, it's really fun. You got to work harder, sleep less, but that's when like the best memories are made. And Charlie was wired to work like that. And I just from my grandfather and wired to work like that. And so we just lived out of a suitcase uh doing every possible event, every Charlie had this thing where you do every single Fox News show. So, we were up at the crack of dawn to do Fox and Friends First, which is in the 4:00 a.m. hour, [snorts] where wherever we were, cuz they have, you know, their little studios that you can run to and do a hit to staying up until you finally got the call to do one of the big ones, which for us at the time it was you get the call to do Laura Ingram or Tucker Carlson. We were like, or Sean um >> not Shawn Ryan. >> I almost said Shawn Ryan. Did you see how naturally I was like Sean? Um, that's not Sean Ryan. I can't believe I'm bling on his name now. That's ridiculous. >> Sean on Fox News. Hannity. Gosh. I was like, why can I not think of his name? It's because of you. Cuz you're in front of me. >> Or Sean Hannity. That was what you were building up toward. And so Charlie was always like, you want to do every show because the producers for the other show are watching this show. And if you're good on this show, he had this whole map of how it was going to work. And so he's never say no to any show. And so we did every Fox News show, every hit. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, we'll do it. While trekking throughout the United States, living out of a suitcase, the cheapest hotel rooms imaginable. Um, like literally the room, the walls were so thin. A lot of them were airport hotels. Like I could just hear Charlie turning on the shower. I could hear Charlie snoring. I could just there was just just a thin, you know, almost was like a sheet of paper um between our rooms and it was fun. I mean, there are so many just little things like that I reflect on now that are just so funny. Like if you'd get somewhere and then suddenly your suitcase didn't come through and you're going, "Oh, I said we'd have to get up at the crack of dawn, find the earliest Walmart, buy a blazer so that we could do the Fox News hit at 6:00 a.m." And it was madness. a lot of coffee, a lot of Chipotle. So much Chipotle. Um, we ate so much Chipotle. I I can't believe I don't have stock in that company. Um, and we kept being like, they have got to hire us to like did they have to like do do an ad agreement with us or something cuz we're eating this much of it. Um, drinking a ton of Starbucks. And yeah, I mean, just traveling with someone is the fastest way to get to know someone. I can tell you that for free. you you really get to see the person, you know what I mean? There's no there's no glam in traveling like that and who they are in the morning time, [laughter] nighttime, how they pack their suitcase. Sometimes you get to a a room and his room's ready and my room's not. And so, oh, but I'm exhausted to take a nap. And so, he's like, I'm going to go for a run. You can go a nap in my room. Then we're exchanging. And so, yeah, you get you get to see people at their worst. And at the same time, I think one of the things that um made me and Charlie so close, cuz I I think about why we sort of had this unbreakable bond despite everything. And if you think about your life, who are the people that you actually feel the closest to? It's people that you grow up with. >> Right. Like there's something about those early relationships. And I think about the people that I went to high school with. like either something they're so it's so unique and so special because it's a coming of age and it was the same with Charlie. We had a a certain type of coming of age together in politics. Neither of us was very wellknown, right? We were very idealistic about what politics was. We thought we could change things. >> How old were you when you started turning? >> I was old. A lot older than Charlie was. I was uh 26. >> 26. >> Yeah. And I want to say Charlie was 20. Don't quote me on this. I feel like I was 26 when I started making my videos, but I might not have been. And then Charlie would have been like 21. I have to figure that out. But um that sounds about right to me. Uh maybe >> they still kind of growing up together at that. >> Yeah. But it's so different though when it's growing up then there's like that growing up that happens. I mean, you also knew each other before before it all happened. >> That's what I mean. We weren't well known. None of No, neither of us was well known. Like, when I started working for Turning Point USA, I didn't have even 10,000 followers on I I think I had maybe I got like 30,000 followers on X people that were following my videos. So, I wasn't wellknown. Charlie wasn't wellknown and we were trying to build something and like we thought we could really change things. So there's an innocence there too where you're like wow wow we're in the excitement of like looking back on the messages like Don Trump Jr. just retweeted me. You know what I mean? Like [laughter] he knows I exist and this person just retweeted me and so and so Laura Ingram just asked me to do our show for the first time. like and there is an innocence even looking back and reflecting in Charlie's like by this time next year you're going to have a 100,000 followers right and so there was a coming of age I I think is what made us so close and then also realizing wo politics is really nasty business and then people that because we were so naturally trusting and we thought that this could be a fair game like we're going to work hard and Charlie used to always say we can always the one what is the one thing we can control we can always outwork our opponents we that's the one thing in our control and we did we outworked them and that's how we that's how we climbed and you know the moment of then Kanye tweeting me like never forget that morning I was just in tears um calling Charlie and just being like we made this happen and everything really sort of exploded after that but that's what it is I think is it's a coming of age and you can't rip that away you can't rip that away to see people in that environment and watch them come up and watch them navigate so many snakes makes and to earn where they where they are. Like Charlie earned that and I fought and I earned that. And then to watch people um cut his life short and then to watch people who didn't earn it say it's mine >> I don't know. Doesn't work for me. >> What was the goal back then? What were you guys doing? >> Well, my goal was to change black America. And [laughter] I'm laughing because it just seems like my view, my worldview was so small and realizing what the problem was. It's like I'm going to get black America to realize that the Democrats are lying to them about Black Lives Matter and keeping us focused on race issues because we're not ever going to get ahead, but it's so much bigger than black America. It's all of America and all of us focused on various issues. And so that was like my micro issue. I cared deeply about wanting to wake up black America. And um also I was pretty passionate about the feminism thing too. Charlie truly wanted to rebuild the RNC and make it palatable for the youth and build an organization based on free markets and capitalism and showing the youth that like actually it's kind of cool to have a brain when you're young too and to make conservatism hip I guess amongst a very liberal um organ of college campuses and he did that he did that he >> that's what it was back then it was on the campuses. >> Yeah. It was all about building disrupting college campuses which had become sort of these centers for indoctrination and we just felt like we could we could change that. We could change the world and you know maybe one day Charlie was going to be president. I know his biggest goal at that time was he used to listen to Rush Limbbo. Like Rush Limbaugh was his Roman Empire. Like really he loved Rush Limbaugh. And so the way that I felt when Kanye treated me because I was always more cultural and I knew what Kanye me meant to culture for, you know, people like me who grew up and didn't know if you'd sort of ever I don't know get out of the thing sort of so to speak for him. He felt that way about Rush Limbaugh. And so when Rush Limbaugh sat on his radio show like mentioned there's this young guy Charlie Kirk. I mean Charlie [laughter] was like made like that was his moment was just he listened to Rush Limbbo every day on the drive to school when he was young. So that's who sort of shaped his ideas. So I I should say actually two people who I know who were conservative when they were young. Charlie too apparently some things like my husband like what's what do you mean you weren't liberal when you were young? It sounds so much more fun. Charlie was these are like these boy genius or whatever and so he was really shaped by Rush Limbaugh and yeah, you know, by the end of his life he would be he would know Rush Limbaugh like on just pick up the phone and call him and he wanted to one day have a radio show. He he was like, "Do you realize every day day in and day out just three hours of radio and the grind of that?" And he wanted to one day have his own show, Charlie, and be like Rush Limbaugh. And so when he finally did it, when he did the Charlie Kirk show and it was doing so well, I knew that he would crush it cuz I was like, "This is he was so passionate about building this." And it's [snorts] also why it it positively disgusts me to see what the show has become because it is the opposite of what Charlie wanted it to be. It's the opposite of what inspired him. It's the opposite of what Rush Limbaugh was. Um, you know, but that's why it's not doing well because nothing that's not real will survive. >> My editor in there wanted me to ask you about the maroon shirts. >> The maroon shirts. >> The maroon shirts. Do you have anything about this? >> Mhm. No. I was the person who brought it to attention. They laughed at me and I know nothing about the military, but I just when I looked at the footage of Charlie uh and what happened on September 10th, it struck me as highly unusual that there were so many men wearing maroon shirts. Like it's not exactly a color that men wear all the time. And there were a lot of men, all of whom were alone, I might add, who were went to just hear Charlie Kirk speak alone and they were wearing ruined shirts. And I just said to myself, "This feels like organization to me." >> Like they're wearing maroon shirts to identify each other. And lo and behold, I then learned that um from military men that when they do operations, it's a way for like they'll have a color of the day, which is a way for them to like identify each other if they're doing something, whether it's, you know, covert operations or whatever. And I believe that those boys that were wearing maroon shirts were all a part of the same >> I don't know if it's going to be like an overseas battalion, whatever it is that they're >> an identifier. >> Mhm. And I even saw I have a tape of one uh person after the shot goes off bending down low and handing another guy a maroon shirt which is even crazier which I haven't even uh I don't even think I spoke about on my show that just hands him a maroon shirt caught on just the very bottom of the camera and I'm like passed around a maroon shirt after a shot goes off. That feels kind of weird. So there was an element which makes sense that you would color coordinate so you know where to look. Um, men just don't wear maroon that often is what I would say. Wow. Why did you wind up I mean it sounds like you really liked working there. Why did you leave? >> Turning Point changed. Um, after the I mean it was a couple of factors at play, but Turning Point, like I said to you, I always love a startup vibe. It's fun. There's more freedom. And um, after the Kanye tweet, and I'm saying this reflectively, hindsight is 2020. Everything changed. Like Turning Point was suddenly on the map. Kanye put it on the map. Whether people want to recognize that or not, suddenly everyone's going, "Who is this Candace Owens?" I love the way Candace Owens thinks. Well, Candace Owens was working for Turning Point USA. And suddenly money started coming in. They started telling, you know, Charlie needed the PR person. He needed this person. He needed to get this woman Stacy Sheridan and donations. I mean, just like the whole thing became much more corporatized. And I had warned Charlie about I didn't like some of the characters that were being brought around him and I didn't love the 501c3 world in general. It's my it goes against my natural character. Charlie is was such a great diplomat and he would take the abuses from the donors. The bigger the check, the more control is what I I recognized very quickly. And that's not a game that I I I think I'm naturally made to play. And so a point arrived where and in retrospect it's interesting. Somebody had pulled an old tape of me and presented it out of context for of me and Charlie in London where we were asked a question about nationalism. They stripped the question and they made it look like I was on stage preaching about Hitler like and saying if Hitler just wanted to be in Germany that'd be great. But I what I was saying was I don't they they said doesn't nationalism feel like a dirty word? like how can you say you're a nationalist and I was like Hitler wasn't a nationalist you know if Hitler was like hey I'm just want to be in Germany and make America great like that wouldn't have been problematic he was a globalist he had global aspirations long story short they made this video go viral out of nowhere and I always now go back to that and I wonder who did that and suddenly like a Jewish group issued a a thing saying that I was like anti-semitic and it was it was so crazy and donors were calling him telling him that like he needed to pull back away from me. It's so funny to think that this was another Zionist scandal. And at the same and I was so shocked at this time because I had I mean I just grew up in a very Jewish I had never been accused of being an anti-semite and I >> you were this was >> oh my gosh before I mean like I was like genuinely hurt and that's how it feels the first time you're called something that you're not before you realize it's a political game, right? When someone's first like you're a racist or like you're an anti-semite, it is so shocking. Like I had Jewish best friends growing up. I was just going like, how would they ever say this? Why would BuzzFeed make this video go viral? Why is there suddenly this group? Um, and I can't remember. It was the Simon Weisenthal Center who issued a strong condemnation and they have a lot of power about my words and I'm like, why are they all intentionally not showing the full remarks of what I was answering to? I didn't even say Jewish, nothing. It just was about the question was, was Hitler a nationalist? Can we be nationalistic without being accused of being Adolf Hitler? There were journalists in the room. There was no issue with it. And somebody very clearly went back and tried to find what they could scandalize. And I now have the perspective that this was an intentional scandal that was made whole cloth out of thin air. Um, and to put pressure behind Charlie and to sort of pull us apart in a weird way. Um, and so anyway, so I'm like I was genuinely like apologizing like going this is what I meant. Here's the full context. Here's the full video. And um, at the same time who arrived into my life and made me an offer and was like, we can help you, you know, fix this was Prager University, a Jewish organization. And um, I that arrived as like and they offered me much more money than I was working at making at Turning Point USA. And so it seemed like uh a perfect I had just gotten engaged as well and so like you know my ability to kind of travel the country and do those things. So it seemed like a perfect storm to kind of take the next step. And sure enough I went to LA to meet with them and this is now one of the stranger things that's ever happened. And I didn't think of it at the time. I was totally just baffled by the scandal. Um Marissa, the CEO of Prageru, took me to the Simon Weisenthal Center, right? She said she could help make this go away or whatever. And she took me to the Simon Weisenthal Center. And there was this guy. I'm going to say he was like a chief rabbi. I don't know. He was dressed. He was very much the guy, if you know what I mean. They didn't speak a word of English. They spoke fluently in Hebrew. I just sat in the room as they spoke and they went back and forth speaking in Hebrew. And then Marissa and I left and she said everything was going to be fine. And the scandal went away. What? >> It sounds so crazy that I did not even appreciate that it was crazy at the time because I just was like, "Thank you, friend." Because I can't believe anybody would ever think I was anti-Semitic cuz that's and so I was so grateful and I thought she was like using her contacts and being cuz the Simon Williams thought center had issued this whatever and that she was coming in to like basically tell them it's not true. I don't know what they or I didn't know what they were saying. Went away. Now I'm like, was it like, I'll handle this. We've pulled them apart. It's all good. >> Why do you think you were targeted? >> Why do you think you were targeted to begin with? >> I I think there is, and I'm fully in just reflecting on the way things went down. Erica came into Charlie's life. A bunch of people were suddenly being put into Turning Point USA. girlfriend. Uh the uh Stacy Sheridan, she's gonna raise more money and take things to the next level. Andrew Kovette, you need like real PR now. I mean, just like all of these characters, like a Hollywood cast was suddenly assembled. And um I think there was a real panic about the power of any organization. You hit a level and they start paying attention. And I think the Kanye tweet put put us on the map. they started paying attention. This could be a very powerful political organization. We need to make sure that it's within our >> Gotcha. >> And um >> I was always >> presented you play Prageru to control >> I I that is my perspective in retrospect and I did not have that perspective while I was there and I also want to make it very clear I had a very good working relationship there. It was not a I will say they were always honest about who they were. Like there's Zionist, Marissa's former MSAD, you know. Um, [snorts] so they were never trying to pretend that they had like they were open to a different perspective on Israel or anything like that or like anything. They were upfront about who they were and what their priorities were. And Marissa was very kind. Like if she was a handler, she was damn good. That's why she probably was in the mad. Like you know what I mean? like she the best kind of handlers is one that's you think is your friend. Um and I she was there for me through a really tough personal time in my life as well. Uh and so it was that was a hard relationship for me to mourn in in many ways because I'm I'm naturally, you know, not looking I don't open up to people about tough things that I go through. And she was there for me for a really tough time. We had a perfect working relationship. So, I don't I I don't want people to think that because of where I'm at right now, you go backwards and you're like, "Oh, well, things were not." No, it was like they were fantastic. They ran very professionally. I had a great relationship with their C, even their COO, Lane Thrasher. They were all just great. I mean, I don't know what to say. I had a a perfect She never wanted to talk about contracts. She was like, "If you don't want to be here, then you should go. Like, it's not going to work for me to hold you here like you're a prisoner." Uh, I loved Prageru. It was great. Uh, did that for a couple years, then again, kind of like a new season of life. Uh, had my first kid. >> Now, >> hold on, hold on. Let's go back. How'd you meet your husband? >> With was Charlie. This is a crazy story, but the same exact week that Charlie was having these dreams about dying or where he was really deeply talking to me about it. I mean, he had the dreams over and over again, he said from the time he signed with Turning Point, but he was like it was a lot of things happened that week. One, by the end of the week, Kanye tweeted me. Okay. Um, two, uh, I had this over in the same way he was like, I'm going to die. I was just like, we should go to we need to get to London. We need to go to the UK. No reason. We had no reason, no rhyme or reason to go to the UK. And I'm just started hammering him in April being like, "We need to go to the UK. We need to go to the U. We need to go to the UK." June comes around. I'm sorry. I'm hammering him. We need to go to the UK. He's like, "For what?" And I'm just like, "Just make up something to be there. I just feel like pulled to go to the UK." I have the messages. It's so crazy to read back. And so eventually, I am feeling so pulled to go to the UK that I say to him, "Give me your credit card. I'm just going to book the flights cuz then you'll be forced to just make a reason for us to go to the UK." And I did it. And I had never done that. Never booked flights. Never taken his card. And I was like, "Now we're going to the UK, so find something for us to do." And he was like, "Well, I've been wanting to like build out Turning Point UK and kind of build out this international thing." And um so we were hosted by who are now dear friends to us, John Mappen and Arena Mappen. Charlie had been emailing with them and they said, "We'd love to host you because we need Turning Point in the UK." And I spoke. This is also the same event that they would eventually pull the outofc context comments from. So this is December [snorts] and then they would pull these comments in March of the following year and he got together a great group and I presented on stage and my husband was in the audience and I just sort of looked at him and thought he was really cute. It's actually really cute. And at the end, he came up to me and he said, "Hi, I'm George Farmer." And was like, "George Farmer's pretty cute." And that was it. Never going to probably see him again. Next day I had um a um podcast, Russell Brand, go out to the countryside, book the you know, as much media as possible. And then Russell Brand like went over. It was like 3 hours. and my assistant somehow had a miscommunication with PJW. There was going to be this Turning Point UK launch dinner where a bunch of political players were going to be brought to the room and PJW was supposed to be unbeknownst to me. I don't know if you know who he is. He's a YouTuber in the UK. Um, and I didn't, long story short, I didn't know this was happening. Like, it was not in me and Charlie's calendar. We had no idea it was happening. I was going to go do Russell Brand. Charlie did some press down there, uh, back in London. and I'm in the countryside and then we met back up to do another media event. I suddenly realize am told by my assistant that I'm running 3 hours late to a dinner that I didn't even know was happening. So me and Charlie jump into a taxi, book it, and are like my like who could how could this miscommunication have happened, important political players, a nice small intimate dinner of like maybe 18, maybe even small, maybe like 15 people. And I walk in to this dinner and George Farmer is hosting the dinner because he wanted to get behind Turning Point UK because him and his father were very involved with Brexit at the time and his father was at one time the um uh the treasurer for the Tory party. So they were involved in politics and he just thought Turning Point UK was a great idea and he was helping his friend PJW put together a little dinner to for Charlie and Candace. And so we arrived 3 hours late to this dinner and George Farmer is there and I see him and at this point because his friends were like mate are they even coming? You know he's just plying everyone at the table with alcohol because like he's humiliated that nobody's were and no he doesn't know what's happening cuz he's not talking to me and we had no idea it was happening. So Charlie and I get there. We don't like this is so out of our character. We would never show up somewhere late. I don't know where the ball got dropped. I blame PJW. And so does so does George. And we immediately just went around the table and I just said sorry to every single person. You know, obviously going to thank you. I'm thank you for being here. D. We sit down. I sit down next to my husband, future husband. And I I telling you, I just looked at his face and I knew he was my It was the craziest thing. I just knew he was my husband and he didn't speak to me barely because he was thinking the same thing. Like he knew that I was his wife and had already texted his friend after hearing me speak the night before and he wrote in writing, "I'm going to marry Candace Owens." And his friend, who was the best man in our wedding, was like, >> "Mate, you're an idiot." Like, >> he read this at uh the night before our dinner, read the messages, and it was the exact same thing was happening for me. And I'm saying to my assistant like George Farmer's my husband like and we had didn't say anything. He was then too nervous. So I spoke to his best friend uh Nick who was the best man in our wedding. He chatted with him the whole time and I'm just sitting here like man I really want to talk to this George Farmer. He's just so cute. [laughter] And um he said a couple of words and then at the end sent me a message on WhatsApp and said thank you so much for coming to Jewish night. And I was like, "You should come to the student action summit if which is going to be next week in Palm Beach." Had no idea if he had a girlfriend. Was really hoping he didn't because I he was my husband. So it'd be weird if he had a girlfriend, right? Would be so weird if I found out my husband had a girlfriend. And he flew over with a girlfriend of his and the whole time I'm just trying to figure out like we're doing SAS. All this is going on. and we just kind of like put them in our group and I'm just trying to figure out there if those two are dating like if my husband has a girlfriend and uh there was this donor to Turning Point USA. I used to stay at her house when I uh when we had an event in Palm Beach and she's [snorts] older. She was like 75 and you know she's at the age where they don't care what they say. >> Mhm. And she's like, "You two would be so cute together." And I'm sitting here like, [laughter] "So, I did this thing that I'm telling you, I have never done this. This is so funny." And we had the event at uh it was at Mara Lago. I remember the dress I was wearing. And then he shows up wearing like a Cumberb like I mean English men in their suits, right? So he shows up looking like James Bond. And I'm like, "Okay, everybody stop. That's my husband." Like obviously [laughter] like in my head I'm just like this is crazy. Like if you my husband in a suit is just like okay just shut shuts everything shuts everything down >> and I'm just sitting here and afterward we went to the breakers and we had a conversation and we just the conversation just completely flowed. We were actually talking about Vladimir Putin which is really funny. Um, and we were talking about, you know, planes and overcharging for suitcases. And I'm still now I'm thinking like, okay, I don't think he's dating this girl. Cuz she was there and we were we were kind of like, you know, >> talking. >> And so I went back to the donor's house and I was like, I am going to message him and see if he wants to like meet up for what do you call like when you have like a late night? Uh there's a like a fancy expression for it like uh like you know to have a cocktail late night. What do they say? Uh I don't know what people call it. There's a nice fancy way to say it. Whatever. But I'm like I'm going to text him. Okay. Here here's how I'm going to figure it out. I'm going to text him and see if he wants to meet up in like the lobby of the hotel and I'm going to shoot my shot and if he answers then like okay, there was definitely something there. And if he doesn't answer, then there was nothing. Okay. he said like I I so I texted him. I just texted I texted my husband who I thought was my husband in my head. And I'm like, "Hey, like do you want to go grab a a there's a word for it, whatever, um in the lobby or whatever of the hotel." No response. Got no response. going backward and going over this together. He was like, "I was just knocked out sleeping." But of course, you're thinking a thousand different things. And I'm like, "Oh my gosh." Like, "No, he's dating that girl. He's totally dating that girl. I'm an idiot." Like, [laughter] and um yeah. And so, yeah, I was like, "Okay, he's going to" And then that and then the next day, we went to Al uh to to the the donor's house again, and she was just like, "You guys make such a cute couple." And I I was like getting all these signs. And then after he left, he called me and we talked on the phone for like 3 hours and I was like, "Okay." Like, "Okay." Well, he didn't have a girlfriend, the whole thing. And then he told me, "I just I just fell asleep and I'm so sorry I missed the text message." I was like, "If you knew the thought and the emotion and everything that went behind this, like I never do this." I don't even at the time I didn't even drink, by the way. Like, I was just making up an excuse to um see him. And it was just he he had he just passed out. And I was like, "He's probably with that girl." like all the girly emotions and none of that was happening. And so yeah, he uh we then like spoke every day on the phone. Obviously, he was back in the UK and then he proposed to me on a plane. Um we had hadn't even had our first kiss. So I'm one of the >> Hadn't even had your first kiss. >> No, how could we? He was in the UK. So I He proposed to me. People thought we were totally insane. His friends thought he was insane. Everyone thought I was insane. My But my sisters were like, "This is the most candidest thing I've ever heard ever." You know? >> So, wait, how much time from you met him to >> engagement? 18 days. >> 18 days. >> Wow. How long have you guys been married now? >> 7 years. >> Seven years. >> 7 years. Baby number five on the way. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you. Um, yeah. So, it was I can't even explain the poll that pulled me to the UK. And when I saw him, I I mean, I don't know if I dreamed it. I mean, some things are just so metaphysical. We don't understand the world and the way it works, but I know I knew he was my husband and I was right. So, everyone was wrong. I was like, "No, that's obviously my husband." Like, I know. Like, and the way that I describe how I felt, and I will be such a hypocrite, by the way, in the future when my daughter pulls this, she'll be about to marry. I feel like my daughter someday is going to watch this episode and be like, "You and dad fell in love." When you're watching and you're 20, however old you are, Louise, you're not allowed to meet any guy like this. You're not allowed to get married after 18 days. This only applies for me. I'm going to be a total hypocrite. The only way that I can describe the way I felt is it felt like a sigh of relief. Like there he is. Like everything's going to be okay now. He's there. >> What's the secret to a successful marriage? >> Gosh. The secret to a successful Um, I feel in some ways I have been just so blessed by God to just have a really easy marriage cuz I hear, you know, everyone wants to know what the secret is. And I I think it's the secret is loving the person you married. Like genuinely enjoying them, like genuinely being fascinated by them. um like wanting to aspire to them, wanting to know them, every like layer of them and wanting to learn from them, having just like a deep reverence for the person that you're marrying. Like aside from just being giddy and in love with them and I'm totally obsessed with my husband. I just genuinely am. And that's the best feeling in the world. I feel like I cheated in life somehow like that. I just got to marry the person of my dreams who wears a suit like James Bond. Like I'm just like he's just perfect in those in in every way. And and the best thing is just to see who he became after we had kids. Like men, you unlock something. And I'm sure it comes from I'm a dad. You know what I mean? Wow. I got to figure this thing out. And we have a lot of boys. So, I think there's even more pressure applied of I now need to be the model of the father. Like, I'm a father. Like, what kind of a father do I want to be? Because that's going to impact my boys. And he loves his dad. And I think he felt the pressure of wanting to be who his dad was to him. And this pressure just created an an a diamond, you know. So, he has just I'm just amazed at him. Like, he's just my my husband's good at everything, too. It's he's just one of those people who has a brain for everything. I know what I'm good at. I'm good at communication. I'm good at writing. I understand marketing. And but he can just learn any subject in a day and then suddenly fully comprehend it. I mean, you could talk to my husband about any subject. It's unbelievable. So, I I don't know. I just I just adore him. I think that's kind of the secret is is is adoring the person. Um cuz it's been it's been really easy for us, which sounds crazy because on the external it's like just a constant hurricane, a constant tornado, but to see especially during the year of the Daily Wire stuff, how he just built it. It's like understood the whole never podcasted, understood it, did the ads, redid the contracts, you know, all right, I got to figure this out, whatever. And just I could have never survived that year without my husband. >> He's a genius. He really is. >> Baby number five's on the way. >> Five. I've just been in a constant state of pregnancy. Like an elephant. Elephants are pregnant for 2 years. I feel like I've just been pregnant for a long time, but I'm I'm blessed with very easy pregnancies. And we didn't realize how much we were going to love being parents, too. Like that was something that surprised us. I don't know. you hear so much about marriage, be careful when you get married. And I feel like there's uh so much nonsense out there, like you're like you're walking a plank or something. And I feel like my life began uh when I got married and when I had kids and we just our kids are just the best. My kids are awesome. Like I I mean they're so funny and they're kind. I know I sound like I'm biased, but I really do have the best kids. Someone has to have them, right? Someone has to have the best and it's me. And um we just [clears throat] love it. We love being parents. Um the happiness that comes from it and the security that comes from it. Like they're getting security from you, but you're getting real security from them and realizing suddenly what matters. It changes everything. And I laugh at that younger Candace who's like, "Whoa, this person retweeted me. That's the goal. Whoa, I'm going to do this show tonight." And now it's how fast can I get home? Um, [snorts] so and so did this today. Like texting each other. Like the stories of like little conversations that watching children contend with the world and try to reason and the oversimplification, the beauty of the oversimplification of a child's mind. It's so special. It really is. And now I get to work from home because thank you Daily Wire. [laughter] >> The blessing of that. >> One thing I wasn't uh expecting to hear today is a thank you to the Daily Wire from Candace Owens. >> I owe them so much. [laughter] I owe them so much for ripping the carpet from under my feet in the most glorious way possible. I mean, God is always looking out. That I look back on that and you just don't you just don't doubt what God's doing. Even things that you're like, "Why? Why? Why? Well, you're not meant to know right now, Candace." And then God just showing me that he just was throwing me a lifeboat, you know? Now is a good time to get out of there. [laughter] So, I have I have no regrets. >> You brought up uh I think it's Lexit. >> What is Blexit? >> Well, Blexit is what I was building alongside Charlie when because I was really focused on wanting to motivate black people to wake up the Democrat party. Okay. >> And so that kind of happened in Kanye season. And then when I realized I did not want to do not for profofit and I loved podcasting, which I got to do with PragerU, um I sold Blexit back to Turning Point USA because I also just couldn't do that at all. like I you know was having getting after getting married and being pregnant I was like I don't want to do not for profofit and do a podcast and do all this stuff. >> So it allowed me to focus on podcasting which I just found an act for. I really love conversing with people and communicating and um I got my dream job so to speak right now because I get to do it for myself. >> And you did that with Brandon Tatum. >> Is that the former police officer? >> Are you guys still tight? You know, Brandon, I always say, is he's like a brother to me. And I think it's that same coming of age thing. He was there. You know, Brandon, me, Charlie doing stuff together, building something. We obviously have very strong disagreements on Zionism and Israel and how Charlie Kirk died. And I need to be able to sit down face to face with him, which has been hard. uh just because we're on opposite sides of the of the and we've spoken on the phone a few times, but like then he's got like I'm stepping into dinner and you know um I have a very very strict policy about when you have a real relationship with somebody doing stuff for the public and there's a lot that I I need to talk to Brandon about, you know, I need to try to understand where he's at and I'm sure he feels the same way. >> Well, that's good to hear. Yeah, >> it's good to hear that somebody can disagree with you and [snorts] still be friends. >> Well, it was it was just a real relationship, you know, and like you my family loves Brandon. Like, so it's you I think you're less of a person when you allow politics to decide who you're friends with. And I have felt that test >> real close [clears throat] to the fire with the Kanye stuff. um what Daily Wire put me through behind the scenes wanting me to like make a public statement about and I didn't do it and they took millions away from me. You know, they they literally had money on the table. >> what do you mean? >> It's actually one of the funniest things because the former CEO has just been on like a podcast tour just making up like it's almost fantasy stories about me, but I guess no one wants to book him unless he does it. >> Jeremy Boring. Yeah, it's been it's been the most pathetic thing. I don't even reply anymore cuz everyone in the comments just like you are. >> I'll tell you like some of my favorite recent pastimes are hearing the stories of Jeremy Boring running around the [ __ ] Daily Wire with a baseball bat >> getting hair and makeup done. >> That's all true. >> cuz he's not he wasn't even on camera, >> And he would get his hair and makeup done. [laughter] Yeah, that's that is all 1,000% true. The stories any stories you hear about him, as loony as it sounds, it's all very real. It's he's he was a total nut case. >> It's like I was telling you at breakfast when I when I hear the sto I don't want to mention anybody's names cuz I don't want to throw anybody under the bus, but it's it sounds like the '9s movie, The Office Space. >> It's like identical. >> It is a sitcom. It's weird. Like you look back on it and you're just sort of and everyone will tell you. I mean, they're just this is what he did. He'd get he'd come in and have people wash his hair plugs and do his makeup and style him to be the CEO. Just to go into his office and be the CEO. >> Everywhere I go, people are talking about Jeremy Boring and Ben Shapiro because suddenly right around Nashville, there's all these unemployed Daily Wire people running around and they're [ __ ] pissed. >> Yeah. Because it didn't >> they're talking a lot. >> It's a It's like >> Because it didn't have to be like that, I think. also. And it's he just ran it like a cult. It was very strange. I mean, he's just not a real person, I guess, is the best way. He's a character. It's like a cartoon character. And but one of the funniest reimaginations is like because no one wants to book him. He has nothing to talk about. He has no talent. Um he sort of does this thing where he's just he's just been like on a year tour of my worst regret is like hiring Candace Owens. And yet it's all he can talk about. >> I I can't believe the [ __ ] they pulled with Brett Cooper. >> Oh yeah. Like what what was how old was Brett when she left? They're like [ __ ] >> 20 21 22. >> You you treat a 21year-old woman girl like that. What the [ __ ] is the problem, man? >> She wanted to leave. How do you leave a cult? We got to destroy you on the way out. >> I mean, they would just [ __ ] torment her >> every day. Every [ __ ] day. >> I hope I I I'm assuming she opened up to you uh about what went on legally. I mean, >> somebody did. >> Jeremy did that personally. I mean, he's he's vicious. He's he's, you know, closeted gay man. Um, and he is extraordinarily vicious. So, uh, to see him try to sort of reintroduce himself. Um, [snorts] >> when I hear the story about I don't know if it was the day after you left or the or when you got fired or whatever and they had everybody come out and they're like, "Nobody [ __ ] cheer." And then they come out and everybody cheers like, "Shut stop cheering." >> Yeah. No clapping. I've heard the radio. Everyone was like, "It was totally nutty." But if you know Jeremy, that's Jeremy. He always has to build a stage and give a performance of everything, including a firing. Like it's like it's it's totally it is a sitcom. >> I think they ran around and took everybody's phones and [ __ ] too. Maybe >> they made them keep their phones at their desks and it was described to me like an episode of Arrested Development. >> He like had the stylist coming out and like matching his shirt to the lights. It's totally wacky, but all the stories are real. This is how he ran the company. It was in right into the ground, by the way, I should add. But it's funny to reflect on because he's just he's so irrelevant now it doesn't even matter. So we just kind of all share stories about this wacky person who pretended to be a CEO for a while. Just desperately [snorts] wants to be famous and he'll um he doesn't have it. You know, you just don't have it, buddy. uh >> I just I love watching people that treat people like that just get [ __ ] destroyed. >> Destroyed. >> Yeah. Because you need you need friends. >> He'll never do anything big ever again. >> No. And he knows that. Which is why his new show On the Road is >> Oh, he has a he has a new show called On the Road. >> No, but basically he just books media to talk about me. It's bonkers. It's And how I'm the worst decision he ever made. And obviously the public sees that for what it is. It's just pathetic. And um but he he reimagined reimagines me too. So he pretends he had because why are they going to book him? Like nobody wants to book him. Yeah. >> And so he says, "Well, you know, Candace once told me a secret, like a secret that she would do [laughter] she would do anything for money." That's how he tried to launch his podcast, saying that I told him I would do anything for money. And it's the literal exact opposite of what happened at the Daily Wire. It's like the ex like the exact opposite experience he had for me when Kanye tweeted um Defcon 3 or whatever. I had nothing to do with it. I wasn't there when he tweeted it. I wasn't with him. But because I was friends with him, this was like the cancellation of Kanye. They were putting pressure on me to make a statement about him and I didn't do it and I didn't want to do it. And it led to a moment where I was brought into a conference room and my husband was there and both of the co-CEOs, it was Jeremy and um Caleb Robinson, who's a bit he's more serious of a person than Jeremy, you know, uh were yelling in a conference room like like why won't you just say this and make it easy? don't you understand like the pressure that it puts on Ben and like his network of people who feel threatened by this or whatever? And I refused to do it. I said, you know, I think you guys will reflect on this. Most people see me as like a formidable enemy, but I'm more a more formidable friend. I'm not going to step on his head while he's drowning. And so Jeremy basically said, "Okay, well, here's what we're going to do. We need to build trust with you." So I had signed a I want to say it was a seven-year contract. I could go back and get the exact specs of it. and we were like two years into the contract or something like that and they shaved off like five years of my contract. So I lost millions of guaranteed dollars and they basically were like or you could just say a statement about Kanye. Didn't do it. Took took the money back. And so it was the exact opposite experience you had with me that I would not say things for money. And I have the whole that what's so wacky is like I have the whole email chain. It's like this all happened with lawyers. They changed the contract, the negotiations, all of this stuff. And I was penalized for what Kanye said. What Kanye tweeted cost me millions of dollars. And uh zero regrets. That's not the person I am. I I am. I won't I won't say things for money. I I I cannot be made to dance for money. And um I think that frustrated them. That deeply frustrated them. I have to believe what I'm saying. And so even if I get things wrong, and of course I get things wrong because I'm a human. Uh I am never intentionally lying or telling people something because somebody is funding me to say it. >> I genuinely was wrong about my prior positions on Israel or I was genuinely just not educated and I was okay with it. I genuinely had no idea what was going on in Palestine. The moment I became educated about was what was happening when it became a hot button issue and I was like let me focus and see what this is actually about. Uh I picked the right side and I spoke out and I said something and again ended up costing me a job. So like [laughter] I was making good money at a Daily Wire. I had no job that I was jumping on to. So to go around and say that Candace will say anything for money, you literally fired me because I wouldn't say anything for money. So, it's it's it's really weird to sort of see him try to like rewrite who I am. Uh, but it's, you know, it's not it's also ineffectual. So, he's just a cartoon character. >> Jeez. What What was it that eventually did get you >> Did you get fired or did you quit? >> I got fired. The stage was built, remember? And they It was a production. They put together a video. >> A video. >> They put a [ __ ] video to Do you have access to it? Uh, well, eventually Jeremy posted it cuz I think he thought people were going to go, "Wow, you're amazing." >> Are you It's out. It's on the internet. >> Yeah, you can watch it of the what the he how he presented. >> So, all these [ __ ] stories that I've heard about the day he got fired in the presentation. I can actually go watch >> I can Yeah, I think Steven Crowder released it or something. I I think >> it it got released somehow. And >> you know, we're putting that in your preview. >> You You have to. I mean, it was totally >> they played like one of the re reasons they listed for my firing cuz they just it was basically a thousand different ways that you've been anti-semitic. >> They meaning the the PR person at Daily Wire told me to go on this show that had a DJ that just makes sound effects. And when the me and the person were speaking about Ben Shapiro, a sound of a cash register went off. And they thought that that was like pre-planned anti-semitism. The kaching sound effect. >> My Oh wow. >> One of the reasons I got fired. >> Are you serious? >> Of a random show playing a cash register. Cash register sound. I mean the whole show. But actually I think actually I was told that it was uh money that came in actually cuz they have a live >> it's the Shopify sound. >> Yeah. Like it was like a live thing where it's a live show. So, there's so many sounds. They have a DJ. I mean, I'm a I couldn't have told you that this happened. And the whole time there's a cash register sound going, but also the sound went off when we were talking about Ben. And so, that was listed as a reason for my firing. >> How did they do it? Did they [snorts] Did they >> It was just an email. I was about to hit the stage at Turning Point USA cuz I was on tour as I always am with them. And so I was juggling both and I just got an email and they listed I think it was I want to say it was 30 pages or it could have been 30 reasons. And I I actually laughed when I was reading it cuz it it was so crazy like it was like so far beyond how they could interpret symptoms. I'm like that it it only a person who was in a sitcom could have come up with this. Like I I was shocked they put it in writing. That was my like because first I was like, whoa, what am I being fired for? And then as they started listing the reasons that things like the first three pages were uh Nick Fuentes, it was just Nick Fuentes. I've never spoken to Nick Fuentes. Like I spoke to him literally one time prior to along, do you? >> No, but they had a whole conspiracy that I was secretly working with Nick Fuentes uh and Tucker Carlson to bring down the Daily Wire and they brought me into the office and questioned me about that close to the end. And I was like, I don't know what you guys talking about. Like there there was there was a mental unwwellness that was happening at that company. And >> was Tucker even independent at that time? >> He had just gone independent. So I think this is what like they have a very severe obsession with Tucker. That was apparent to me when I was at the company. Like I mean I don't know what it is. There's something about Tucker that Jeremy and Ben are very obsessed with. And I don't know if it's cuz he's just cool. [laughter] You know, there's an envy. And they were they had convinced themselves that I was somehow working behind the scenes to bring down the Daily Wire to go work for Tucker. And that's because that's what they did to Breitbart. So they were accusing me of what they had done to a company prior, right? They had quietly been building Daily Wire. They then created a scandal, a fake scandal with Michelle Fields and then they took all of the all of Breitbart's uh subscribers with them. >> what was the fake scandal? They the Michelle Fields like Corey Luwendowski hit me and I was bruised. That whole scandal as I was told was thought up by Ben Shapiro and his best friend who was Michelle Field's husband Jamie Weinstein uh to help them launch Daily Wire. So this is >> what a [ __ ] turd. >> This is the story of McBth. >> This is the story of McBth. You go around killing people and then you're paranoid that someone's trying to kill >> I was 8 months pregnant. I'm a very loyal person. even if you don't deserve my loyalty, if I'm working for your company, I'm working for your company. I'm not trying to snipe you. I'm not doing anything. It's just it's not my personality. I'll just quit. You know what I mean? And they brought me into an office and questioned me about this uh Tucker Carlson conspiracy. And they asked me if I they he told me explicitly that they thought that I was working with Nick Fentes. And I just was so confused. I I I thought someone's gone. >> How much time did you have at the Daily Wire? left or >> how much? No, just all together. >> Was it there for three years, I think? I think. >> How long did this happen after the Kanye incident where they they wanted you to >> It was the following. It was kind of exactly a year later. Um, and so, but it was right after October 7th is when they got super wacky. And I think they were wanting me to kind of like pledge allegiance to Israel publicly, and I just wasn't going to do that. And so, it became an issue. They had financial pressure because Jeremy was you know, doing Pen Dragon, which cost them over $60 million. The reports on that have been completely inaccurate of how how much that passion project of Jeremy's um harmed the company. And um he was just he was there's the only way to describe him is maniacal. Anybody who works at Daily Wire will tell you that he was just utterly maniacal and he's obsessive. Um and so yeah, they built the state. And by the way, when I sat down with them like a week prior to them firing me and we had hashed things out and they had said to me, "Well, we thought you were secretly plotting." And I was like, "This is mental unwellness." And I said, "Look, if post October 7th things have changed, like I obviously understand this is Ben's a partner of the company and you guys want to separate, let you know, let me and Ben talk each other like human beings." Like, I'm happy to do that. I'm happy to like you don't spend 3 years at a company and want things to end badly. So I I presented Jeremy with that option of me just leaving peacefully. We could have I was we can figure out how to like unwind, issue a nice statement, but Jeremy has a flare for drama. He h he has to build a stage. He has to do it. He has to make it over the top. And so they hatched this remarkable plan to Christ is king is anti-Semitic. >> did they really say that? >> Yes. [laughter] I I'm I mean, don't be offended, but I always thought you kind of manufactured that. >> Oh, no. Andrew Claven did a full episode entitled like Christ is King after we announced that I was separated and he just like completely disparaged me for an hour. Andrew Claven and I was so shocked because we had signed a non-disparagement and their lawyers came back and were essentially like jokes on you. Tricky contract clause. We said that none of the talent or none of the uh employees would disparrage you, but Andrew Claven isn't actually an employee. He's a contractor. So, they had plotted to sign this agreement. We go our separate ways, but then they were going to allow Andrew Claven to publicly say something and then said I couldn't say anything back and but it backfired because they did this during Lent. And people watched the episode and went, "What?" [laughter] And so then, so this gets even better. So then it backfires. My my my hand is tied behind my back. I can't say anything or but they still because they lost tens of thousands of subscribers to Andrew Clayven doing an episode calling me anti-Semitic over Crisis King. Um they then sued me >> for them attacking me. So Jeremy, which is really funny because a couple days ago he went on to Patrick back David and said, "We had the most subscribers ever after Candace left. You literally sued me and I have the documents of your sworn affidavit saying the opposite." [laughter] Like it's the way he lies. He's just maniacal. You can't even make it up. So, but he sued me um and said that they lost tens of thousands of dollars. I mean tens of thousands of subscribers. Literally, I just said, tens of thousands of subscribers over the Crisis King thing, which caused their company financial harm. They sued me for their attack on me backfiring. Try to work that out. >> And their evidence of why it was actually my fault was because I couldn't say anything about Andrew Clayven, but I uh Jeremy then stalked my likes on Twitter and people that were defending me, I was liking the tweets. He brought that into court and said the likes are disparaging. Does this [ __ ] hold up? >> They ended up eventually, let me tell you the blessing of the way God works. Um, so we were being sued. They wanted millions of dollars for my likes, literally my likes on Twitter. And so basically they were going to get every bit that they we agreed to walk away and I wanted them to pay me out what was due. Um, and they were figured they'd just claw it in court because Jeremy's a homosexual psychopath and he will like focus on that. And uh they were like trying to tell the judge that likes amount to disparagement. And [snorts] um a blessing occurs. You you cannot make this up cuz they are like cartoon characters. My lawyer gets a call and I want to say it was Labor Day weekend. It might have been what would be before Labor Day. I feel like it was sometime in August, but I feel like it was Labor Day weekend. And my lawyer on the case was like in a bar. He had had a couple of beers and [snorts] um he said he comes out and like Daily Wire's lawyer calls him and he's like freaking out on the phone and he's like she pulled her he's like he's like she pulled her contract. She pulled her contract and you knew blah blah blah. And my lawyer's like dude what are you talking about? Like you mean she pulled her contract? You guys fired her? And he's like you're going to pretend you don't know. And and my lawyer Rob is like what happened? Like what a kid is do like what happened? And he's like, "We're talking about Brett." So these geniuses thought that I had something to do with Brett pulling her contract, and they were the ones who told me that Brett pulled her contract. Oh, it was it was brilliant. The whole thing was just amazing. So I had no idea that Brett had done this, obviously, cuz I had nothing to do with it. >> Um, and she pulled her contract and then they because they were so in their conspiracy mind, thought I had something to do with it, their lawyer then informed me that Brett pulled her contract. And so that's how I found out that Brett was leaving the Daily Wire from their own lawyer. >> [ __ ] How long after you left did Brett leave? >> Brett, but she she ended up it ended up saving me in this court thing the first time. They ended up suing me again and then Brett again. They It was non-stop lawsuits all the time. Uh but because Brett it was such a shock to everyone, myself included, they then suddenly had like a two-front war, you know what I mean? Like they were fighting me in court and then suddenly like Jeremy was going to put Brett in a torture chamber. Um and uh they I guess decided to just for the first lawsuit we decided to agree and walk away. But then they found another reason to sue me again. And that was because I saw red when I saw them doing what they did to me to Brett. They were going to they tried the same thing. They were going to go with Brett Cooper. I mean this girl does like pop culture videos >> and but it's tried and true. So they started stalking her likes and exact same thing. getting their friends to write articles like what's happening to Brett Cooper? She liked this tweet and I defended her and when I when he did the thing with her best the thing with her best friend as a way to torture her that cuz that's what that was. That's how he is. He's he's unwell. Um but because it's like you don't leave my cult and you're a piece of property to me, I'm going to make you suffer. And he went to her wedding. He went to Brett's wedding. Knew Reagan was her best friend. knew that Reagan was her maid of honor and thought through >> kidding me, dude. >> And here's what the most effed up part, and I apologize in advance for me having absolutely zero permission from Brett, but we're already on the show, so I can't say anything. I I can't go backward. Um, sometimes I feel like I'm not on air and I kind of forget that all this is going Do you know that's kind of the problem with podcasts is sometimes you're just I'm just talking to you. Sometimes you get a little >> I'm just talking to you in your living room now. >> Yeah. And and this will be obviously very viral, but the most eff part of it um and I actually think both of the girls were victimized by it. I want to be clear. Like I I don't like what Reagan did, but these were two young girls, like you know, young and they were best friends. And there was just a maniacal homosexual man doing this because he wanted Brett to suffer for just leaving a job. Like, hey, I'm 22. No matter what my reason is, I should be able to leave a job. Uh, he offered Reagan more money than he ever paid Brett. >> Great business decision. Worked out really well. >> He offered you can't refuse sort of a thing, which would have been life-changing. So, who knows what her life pressures were or she and this is me being gracious. Uh, because I'm not a fan of that. I don't like when girls I wouldn't have done it. I tell you that for free. Um, but I'm built a little different. Um, but you can see how that kind of money in front of someone who's just like an associate producer and suddenly someone's like, "And I don't want to make you a star. I'll do this." And um, and he did that for sport cuz he wanted to hurt her. And it hurt it hurt her by the way. He was successful. That was a relationship that meant a lot to her. >> Um, and that's not something This is something you hear like a deranged husband doing to a wife after a divorce. You know what I mean? about like how will I make her suffer and like using the kids as a chip in the middle of the divorce. This isn't something you hear about a a CEO and a 22-year-old girl who wants to leave because she wants to have kids and he doesn't think it's a good idea, you know, for you to have kids. That's like and so I stood up for her and then I got sued for standing up for her publicly. Zero regrets. I actually um as we were approaching the court date, I told my lawyers, I'm not going to lie to the judge, if they want to know, did I do an episode defending Brett Cooper? And I think he wanted some every time they had dinged me, they wanted 300K for every offense. And I think for that episode, they wanted a million dollars for me defending Brett. [snorts] Um or 300K for that episode. I said I was just going to pay it. And I said I would have um I would have hung it up on a wall and showed my kids, >> stand up for something. >> Money is just money. And I would have said to the judge, "Yep, I consciously made that was the one time where they were coming after me for something that could have violated disparagement because I was sickened by what he did to >> Good for you." >> that's a real friend. >> Money's on everything in life. You know what I mean? >> She's so young. It's just like give it to me. You know what I mean? I felt so like and I wasn't actually close to Brett at the Daily Wire. We got close after because of dealing with lawsuits and he sued her over wearing a blue shirt. I mean, he was he's a total like someone said it so perfectly online. >> Why would the Israeli wire sue somebody for wearing a blue I mean the Daily Wire sue somebody for [laughter] wearing a blue shirt? >> They're Well, it was all about It's all about the suffering of the lawsuit, right? It's not about whether or not they can win. It's about knowing that she she doesn't have this money. you're going to sue her 100K, 300K for wearing a blue shirt. And so what happened, this really gets you into the mind of how Jeremy Boring works. On her last day, they did a joint announcement that was really weird and everyone could tell that something more was happening, but um they had agreed whatever the language is. And so Jeremy did a like Brett's been great and then it kind of cut to Brett. I remember watching being like this is weird. And obviously your audience can sniff it out in 4 seconds. They're growing with you. They know you. They're here. It's called the Brett Cooper show, right? And they could sense um that something was coming or whatever it was. But on that day, she wore a blue shirt is all I know is that she wore a blue shirt during that announcement. And it turned out that previously someone in the comments, because I told you he stalks comments. That's his thing. he's a true like stalker in the comments had said, "Brett, if you're under an NDA, wear a blue shirt." So, he extrapolated from that that she must have intentionally worn a blue shirt, which is completely wacky and you're wearing a blue shirt. If you're not wearing a blue shirt three times a week, like we're not talking about a maroon shirt. Like, this is a like white, black, blue, I feel like everyone wears three times a week. So, then he found a reason to cuz he he never wants you to leave, right? So you then you sue and then you're behind the scenes and you're fighting them because it's a way to hold on to a relationship. And so it's a legal form of stalking. And so I'm actually quite passionate about it and I hope that one day with my platform I can get laws changed because it allows psychopathic men to stalk women legally because they go, "Well, I have a contract and I can interpret anything as disparagement, even a shirt, a like on Twitter. So I can now keep you in court and keep you tied to me for years." And that's what he did to me. It never stopped. As soon as it stopped, he's now doing tours, still talking. So, it's been a non-stop stalk from him. And he did the same thing to Brett. So, it's like you can never you can never leave sort of a thing. >> But they that's what there are laws that need to be changed about arbitration court cuz that's what arbitration gives them the comfort of doing. He would have never brought that lawsuit in a public court because that would have humiliated him and people would have read and realized that something's deranged about him. They realize that now just on the basis of the amount of interviews he's given about me that people are now going this is starting to feel obsessive with Jeremy give him a stage and he'll reveal himself. So I don't mind him doing all those interviews but um to have to suffer that in arbitration court and to not be able to speak that is laws have to change. >> Who legal >> who's interviewing him? I mean what what's the interest? >> Me. [laughter] >> You're interviewing a failed businessman. Like [gasps] the Israeli wire is like >> Yeah. And it's because >> they're buying views. They're buying [ __ ] views. >> Yeah. And it's because of him, you know, that investment in his childhood dream pen dragon. Uh I I you not he's not right in the head. So with someone like that, he just thinks he's going to build something. And >> I mean, it doesn't sound like any of them are right in the head. And they sure as [ __ ] don't learn any lessons. I mean, no. >> They're trying to get you to speak out against Kanye. And then fast forward what a couple years and now they're trying to get Megan Kelly to speak out against you and I think Tucker, right? >> Like she's the internet mom or something. And it's so crazy because it wasn't like Megan was platforming me. That's what was so strange. Like their attacks against her was especially psychotic because they were just going, "Hey, it's Tuesday. We're going to need you to make a statement about Can." She's like, "Wait, why do I have to make a scene about Can I? I don't know Kenneth Owens. I don't like I don't I haven't had her on." I think she literally had me on her radio show one time years ago when I was at the Daily Wire [snorts] promoting uh The Greatest Lie Ever Sold. >> I've never done that at the Megan Kelly show. And uh they just that they're tribal. So it's like, well, because we said so. Because we said so, you need to say something about Coswins. And she's like, I'm not going to do that. >> Cuz that diminishes me as a person. That makes Megan look weak. That means she's not in the driver's seat of her own life. And then they start applying the pressure. or the mafia starts to come in and they'll start uh putting bots in your comments, having people stalk you, talking about you every single day, trying to ruin your reputation, having people email. Uh they even have like email bots where they can uh have 3,000 fake emails go out and try to stop wherever you're speaking like don't toast this person, she's Adolf Hitler and just creating trouble in your life and you can see their new fixation is Megan Kelly >> 3,000 bots. >> Yeah. At events that I speak at, I have to pre-tell people that if you announce me as a speaker, you're going to start getting a bunch of emails and you're going to think they're from real people and they're not. They're just bots. And now that we can read the far dos, they're honest about the fact that they control these like Israeli bots in the comment sections on Instagram and on Facebook to make people >> So the Israeli wire also has an Israeli bot farm. Well, I don't know if they are orchestrating it, but I know that they have their accounts that they pay and Seth Dylan helps out with that with people that they pay to just like stalk all day online and it's all about creating an illusion of pressure and it's not real. Obviously, the majority of Americans don't support what Israel is doing and don't support Israel. So, they have to create fake people and um you can read the Faradox of the Clockwork LLC and it's totally insane. They're just they have admitting what they're doing. Um, yeah, it really is something to behold. But that's what they're putting Megan Kelly through and she's proven to be very tough and they're also angry at her because she told the truth, which surprised me, by the way, and I have such deep respect for her over it. She was one of the few people who stood up and told the truth about what Charlie was going through in the end as all of his friends lied about the pressure, including his wife, about the pressure he was under by Israel. They lied. And Megan had was one of the last people to speak with him on her show and he opened up to her and told her everything he was going through and she just told the truth. That's it. That was her crime. >> Man, what a major miscalculation of your own strength. >> Wow. Wow. They [snorts] just never [ __ ] learn over there. I mean, they're going to tank that entire I mean, I don't think there's any coming back from this, but >> No. I mean, what they're getting like 1.2,000 views a video. It's [ __ ] crazy. >> Yeah, it's I think it's a I mean, are you allowed to have any like criticism of Israel over there? >> No, clearly not. I said genocide is always wrong. And I was getting text messages of people trying to convince me that I had done something truly crazy. And I wasn't even talking about Israel. I was talking about Brian Mass. He wore an IDF uniform uh into Congress and said, I'm trying to remember, but he basically said, "There's no such thing as an innocent Palestinian." And it was completely genocidal. And I saw a tweet from Yashar Ali about it. And I was in Madrid at the time at a wedding and I tweeted, "Genocide, no matter who it, you know, genocide no matter who it comes from, is always wrong." And they wanted me to apologize. like >> apologize. Apologize to who? >> To understand how that hurt Israel because people assumed that I was referring to Israel and I was like, >> "Okay, let's say I wasn't referring to Israel." Like, genocide is always wrong. It actually applies all the time. But I was referring specifically to Brian Mass and they tried to tell me that um it didn't matter that Ben's friends thought I was talking about Israel. So basically, if somebody else has an idea, I'm responsible for it. Even when I believe exactly what I tweeted, genocide is always wrong. I said what I meant. I didn't know I had to say in small print. This tweet is obviously referencing Brian Mass, who is trending right now for wearing an IDF uniform. Like the tweet is a standalone tweet. Genocide is >> Jeez. I think it's just they were a little insecure because they were planning a genocide. So now we can see why that tweet really got under. It >> looks like they're planning another one. You seen this tweet that came out? I texted it to you on the way here from breakfast. This is the Israeli Minister of National Security. Have you read this [ __ ] Let me read it to you. For every terror of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep. All of Lebanon must burn. With all due respect to the Americans, Israel must make it clear to the entire world that the blood of our sons and the security of our citizens are not forfeit. All of Lebanon must burn. Our supreme duty is to protect the citizens of Israel and the soldiers of the IDF. And this commitment takes precedence over every other consideration. I told the prime minister, even in our private meetings, for every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese must weep. Enough with the pingpong. In the Middle East, you don't win with measured responses and restraint. You need to go berserk to obliterate to crush the terror. >> sounds like another genocide's on the way. >> Yeah, he's a total psychopath. But they all are. That's the point. The government is being run by psychopaths. And I think people need to realize that what they are doing to the Palestinians, to the Lebanese people, they will do to us. They will they will do to us. They will torture your kids. They don't care. I mean, this is in the pocket what of the goyam. All of that was a conspiracy until we suddenly had access to Jeffrey Epste's email. >> What does [ __ ] mean? >> Cattle. >> Cat. Nation. Cattle. >> Just cattle. You know, >> slaves. >> Yeah. So, they're okay with you so long as you're >> Because they say it means nation. >> Mm-m. It does not mean nation. the last gro it means nation. Really? >> Means cattle. Um, and so >> they're Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. >> I've never heard anybody call a [ __ ] nation ago. >> Have you? >> No. No. It's that's that's completely made up. And that >> is not even some I'm surprised that's a new updated thing they're trying to lie about. But they try to constantly bury history even from five weeks ago. Um, >> I saw I saw somebody they tried to correct I I think I tweeted something about about it and they're like I asked Ro Kana when he was here. I said, "What's a [ __ ] ro?" And he didn't know. >> Yeah, it's cattle. >> So, we told him and uh and then that clip went crazy. >> Yeah. This is >> Everybody's telling me that means nation. >> Oh, yeah. >> Nation. >> He's a good boy. >> There will be a lot of boy there. There will be a lot of nation there. We read the context of his emails, but like also that's kind of weird. All of their literature, it's not difficult to find out what [ __ ] means. It's cattle. And their perspective is like to the extent that they can get us to work for them, we're fine. >> And if we won't work for them, then we have to be obliterated. >> They like to they do the Grock thing where they're like, "Grock, what does [ __ ] mean?" And >> it'll say, I don't know what it says. But then I'll just go over to Claude and I'll ask Claude, "What does [ __ ] mean?" >> And it Yeah. It's It's a derogatory comment towards anybody that's not Jewish. Yes. It's And you know that >> it's racist. >> It's a fundamentally racist >> racist against Christians. >> It is. And there's a real um I mean they're raised to believe that their life matters more. So Ben Gavir, you have to appreciate that he's being honest. >> Well, I mean you can see it all over his [ __ ] face. He thinks he's more important than everybody. >> That's their perspective. Like that's what October 7th proved. they have a right to commit a genocide now even though they plotted it October 7th and and BB Netanyahu allowed it to happen and all the evidence shows that the whole point is that they and they've been doing this forever these false flag attacks. This is the whole history of Israel is false flag attacks. I mean look at the USS Liberty and they still deny what they did. [snorts] um deny in the face of overwhelming evidence that it's they believe it is their birthright to mass murder, steal, kill, and rape, take from people, destroy heritage, and then reintroduce themselves in other societies with all this wealth that they stole. Um and say that it's cuz they worked hard. Yeah. They worked hard murdering people and stealing and running the goolog system. And >> what's the goolog system? Russia, you know, the the Bolevik revolution, the Romanovs, who who the diamonds that they stole uh from the Romanov family after they murdered them in satanic ritual. Those diamonds ended up in New York, by the way. Like, look, you you know what you should do in your spare time? Look into Armond Hammer. You know, Army Hammer, the actor. Look into his family's history. Look into Julius Hammer. Uh look into Arand Hammer. arm and hammer. What their what their family did when they came over from the Paleo settlement in Russia. Um Lenin's Lenin's quote unquote favorite Jew, even though Lenin himself was Jewish. Um they he took diamonds, established the diamond district. Well, who were they getting the diamonds from in Russia? I mean, they were mass murdering Christians. So, this is what do you think is going to happen? They just destroyed all of Palestine. Do you think there was no wealth there, no jewelry, no diamonds? And and you see when you see the Israeli settlers go in and pillage, if you've seen these videos, just they just take their land. That's how it's always been. They just run in and they take your land. It's theirs now. Thugs, they're being trained to do that. Like cockroaches, like watching cockroaches descend. Truly. Um and that's the only way you can describe it when you see the videos. It's disgusting. It's the most and they beat these people and they take their land and that's it. It's all theirs now. >> Well, there's going to be a big is it is there going to be a big Trump hotel there now? >> Well, that was Trump himself tweeted the the Trump resort whatever it was of like this is what Gaza could be. It was the most despicable thing that I've ever seen. You wonder who tweeted it because Trump doesn't know how to use AI. He's not authoring his own tweets. >> Um it was it was absolutely tasteless. >> did you see what what was that thing that he posted about him being Jesus? Who was who what was that? >> Oh, he didn't know that. >> Oh, yeah. He didn't [ __ ] know. He didn't know there was [ __ ] demons in the sky either, right? >> What do you What was that? >> Just more of the really gross stuff that >> Are they just mocking Christians or what? Like, what is this? >> Well, they they hate Christians. They are taught to hate Christians. They spit on our children. >> You think Trump hates Christians? They train their children to spit. >> I don't I don't think he loves us >> cuz that's that's He's the one that posted it. >> Yeah. I mean, Trump's never pretended to be a Christian. Um I think he's been pretty open about the fact that he certainly favors Israel. Like >> he's got a 99% approval rating over >> Mhm. He Well, >> I think he's also said several times he doesn't think he's going to heaven. Yeah, I think he's kind of made his bed. I don't think he's going to heaven either. If it means anything, I don't get to decide, but I don't just objectively looking at everything. I just wouldn't I wouldn't bet on him in heaven either. You want people to change. You hope they change, but it's kind of hard. I mean, just see what's going on there to imagine that that's a ticket to heaven, you know? >> But he's allowing to happen. It's like he's obsessed with earthly riches and he's got such short time to live. You'd think that toward the you'd hope that toward the end of your life you would want to write wrongs and be a good person. Um because you know you're going to meet your maker soon. So that's one of the more stunning things is like Trump's going to die soon just because he's going to die soon. He's in his 80s. That's how it works. Joe Biden's going to die soon. They're all going to die soon. So it's usually a good time to not be evil. >> Try to get right with God. I don't know. final stretch try to sprint. You try to sprint last stretch and it's interesting to see Trump sort of do the opposite and I just go, "Okay, that's interesting. I don't even wish any ill toward Trump. I don't have any anger. I just It's worse. It's pity. >> You don't have any anger. >> I pity him. I pity a man who has relinquished what was a real power. People loved him, believed in him, you know, thought that he could change things. I pity for earthly riches. >> To give that up. I don't know. And that that will be his legacy. I always pity weak men. I always pity weak men because I just think there is something so natural in the way that God designed it for men to lead, for men to be strong, for men to be forthright. And so when you see men that are weak, it does draw from me frustration, but also pity. That's not that's not what God designed you to be, you know. I almost wish I had pity for him, but I just don't. he's in How do you not? He's a slave. He's had all this stuff and he's a slave >> because he's a voluntary slave. He made the [ __ ] decision. >> He made the decision. >> Forced into it. He's a greedy piece of >> He just wanted to be president and he he was shortsighted. >> I think he's living in a prison every day. >> I [ __ ] hope he is. you know, he's not loved and that matters to him. I don't know. I just I don't think I'm angry with him. No, I think I'm just equal parts disgusted. I think it's pitiful. That's what I mean when you going back to the question you first asked me, what's it like having the I'm like I even forgot that's how powerless he's become. It It's not even something I hold on to a couple of weeks later. Just >> poor Trump, you know. Poor Trump. >> Poor Trump. >> Oh man. Have you heard about this Peter Teal [ __ ] >> What? >> The secret society. I got a hot question for you. So, we had Claude scrape the internet for the most viral question. And here it is. This week, a activist leaked the membership of Dialogue, a secret invitationonly society Peter Teal founded in 2006 with a roster that reportedly includes a sitting treasury secretary, senators, and military and intelligence officials. So, here's the question. Have you looked into this at all? And what's your take? >> What's the group called? Did they find out the name? >> Dialogue. Oh, it's called dialogue. I mean, my general instinct on Peter Teal is no. His name is an anagram for the reptile. I just It's a no. He's appears in the Epstein files so much after lying to Joe Rogan and saying like, "Oh, I just heard me with some math stuff." Uh, it was weird. The emails are weird. It seems like they're like meeting up for diances and all across New York City. It's just weird. It's very strange the emails and I just it's a hard no. But also I think I had my opinion colored because Dave Rubin told me about how he partied with him on his island. He also has an island by the way. [laughter] >> Who does? >> Um Peter Teal Dave Rubin. Mhm. >> And Dave Rubin told me the story that still lives inside of me. >> Um and he'll deny it, but Peter Teal will hear this and know I'm telling the truth because I couldn't have known it otherwise. But him and his husband went to Peter Tilliel's Island, which is in like off the coast of Hawaii. He just kind of bought an island. This is what you do at a certain level. And he has his house on it. And he I guess got to an age where he realized that like he needed somewhere to dump his wealth. So he decided to have a kid, you know, got a surrogate, whatever. And he said it was the weirdest thing because once his son was born, they all were there on the island. And Peter Teal is building a house next door for the nannies to raise the child. And he said when they brought the child around the table at his house, they basically like the servants were like presenting the child and Peter was just sort of like looking at [snorts] the child like yes, yeah, there he is. Or whatever. And it was like very strange and detached and that uh you know they partied with Peter Teal. I'm going to leave it at that. But I had my opinions about who Peter Teal is were was shaped about by Dave Rubin. It's not a guy that I want in authority to make any decisions whatsoever. >> That's a dark dark dark future. >> They just released a [ __ ] ton of names that are in this thing. Have you seen this yet? I think they did it while we were sitting in here. I just saw it on the last break. We'll put them we'll put the names up on screen right now so everybody can read them. Here's a follow-up question. Across everything you've dug into, true crime, cults, criminal networks, what's the single most disturbing thing you've found that you actually believe is real? You come across some dark [ __ ] So, >> yeah. I mean, the understanding the pedophilia, that's all real. It's all real. It's a cult worship. Um, and it goes back to like they believe in sex magic and >> sex magic. >> Sex magic. You could get into like Alistister Crowley, all that's real. I mean, he wrote books about it. It's not like they were trying to hide it, but these are the elites. Like, these were not these aren't people that are at the bottom. It's why I find it hilarious when people believe in the moon landings. I'm like, do you know the history of the Jet Proposion Labs and that it was created by Alistister Crowley's acolyte, a protege, so to speak? The they these people wrote extensively about the sex parties they were having that they thought they could they were summoning demons. They were summoning demons. Not thought they could. They were summoning demons. And um they harm children. That is that is the world we live in. And I think that is very disturbing to have to contend with that. the craziest part is the people that protect them. Oh, for money. That's that's hard to know that people I come up with in politics will look the other way for the right price. Think about that. Everyone knew what Epstein was doing and then he was protected and they knew that he went to prison. I >> think about this [ __ ] all the time. It's so fascinating wouldn't be the right word, but it's it's it it's interesting to see how these people think that they have amassed so much power, but they really have zero power. The only [ __ ] thing that they can really do is introduce a bill. >> Yeah. I mean, when you when >> they can't even [ __ ] say what's on their mind. >> They're powerless. They're [ __ ] They're they are they're they're controlled. >> I think that I mean I think that's a way to a means to control people is to get them into politics. they control Congress. There's no question about it. >> They really think that they have [ __ ] power. Well, in many ways they find people who are pedophiles already and then they empower them. >> Give them churches, give them, you know, I was like shocked looking at the history of the Calvary Chapel church when I was looking into like Rob McCoy. It's unbelievable how many people like are reformed, whatever, and then are not end up being reformed at all. Um, it's it's a system. It's for sure a system and that's not imagined and you need to wake up and realize that our our world is in fact being run by pedophiles. That's a fact. >> And if the Epstein thing didn't wake you up to the fact that it's left and right, you're still asleep. If you think that our troubles in this country are white versus black, you're still asleep. If you think it's gay versus straight, you're still asleep. If you think it's like, you know, feminism versus chauvinism, you're still asleep. We've got way bigger problems. And these are ancient problems that we have. People that worship and summon demons >> and believe in the occult and do it in your face. I believe Charlie's assassination was an occult ritual. >> Everything about it. >> Yeah. Everything about it. And I believe the people around him are into dark demonic stuff. I mean, when you told me at dinner that he was assassinated in the middle of a pentagram, >> I was like, "Holy shit." >> When someone sent me an old Freemason Bible and it showed how they believe that you have to be in a pentagram to sacrifice someone, literally shows you like there's a map inside of the Freemason Bible. And I looked at it and I said, Charlie was sitting in a pentagram. Sorry. >> Where did the Freemasons come from? Uh well, you know, >> you know the history of that? >> Yeah, I actually just read a book for our book in our book club um called The Secret History of America by Nicholas Haggar. Really, really important read, an academic read, but a very ch a challenging one, an important one to get into the history of Freemasonry. And you I guess Freemasonry in many ways obviously it traces it's it traces back it's biblical. Um so you have to think about different iterations. So it's like Solomon's temple, the masons of the temple is kind of what they're hinting to hinting at. But in terms of like the modern introduction into Western society, it begins with Francis Bacon and Paris where Paris seems to be the home of a lot of the things that have happened in these in these secret societies. It's like they go to Paris to be initiated. The same thing for Sigman Freud. Um he he studied under Charco um and he was similarly initiated. I don't think it's a coincidence that Paris's code is 33. You if you want to dial up to Paris, it's 33. Um it's home of the French Revolution. There's a lot that has happened in Paris. There's a lot of evil that is um taking place. But um the Freemason society, I mean this gets into the infiltration of the Knights Templar, an intentional infiltration by Adam Weissopt uh who was funding the infiltration of various Freemason groups and bringing them all together under the Illuminati. Our founding fathers were Freemasons and the Nicholas Hager book carefully walks you through even the symbolism on the back of of a $1 bill. Um and to be clear when they joined the Illuminati, it was um uh after the revolutionary war. Uh but the they were always it was always done in mind and Adam Weiss was an open satanist with using Christianity um as a shell to further their their satanic causes. So you have to really go backward to understand the theology, the infiltration, um how the Scottish right, uh which is the Scottish right of Freemasons, which had everything to do with establishing America was really dating back from France. Um and the Catholic Church having Jack Dem hung. I think he was hung. He was killed. And um these groups then went into Scotland and you can just that book just helps you trace how these Freemason groups arrived into America and for them it was seen as a new Atlantis. Okay, we keep getting caught doing all this crazy stuff across the European continent. It's always been a war against the Catholic Church. They're all explicit in their hatred of the Catholic Church, which is very compelling to me. It's um >> Why do you think they're against the Catholics so much? because the Catholics were calling them what they were, Satanists. I mean, this the rewrite of history, um, Isabella of Spain, she should be sainted. They're constantly everything you've learned about Catholicism and the history of Catholicism is just crap in school. And there's a reason for that because America was designed to be anti-atholic, um, to be anti-orthodox. And the reason is because Catholics hold the history. They know what they were doing on that continent. America was supposed to be kept fat, happy, and young. I I truly believe that. And now America, well, we were fat, happy, and young for 250 years, and now we're arriving into our adolescent phase. And people are starting to look in the right places. It's why I encourage people to go to Russia. Russia holds the key to a lot of secrets of these maniacal psychopaths um who have arrived in America who say, "Well, my great so- and so went to Russia. Got you clocks. know exactly who who your great-grandfather must have been and your bloodthirst. The Bible says you will know them by their fruits. You do. You do. Do you have to imagine who Mark Lebanon's ancestors were who were in Russia? No. I I I got to guess. I'm going to guess they were killing the [ __ ] out of Bolsheviks if I just had to guess. I mean they I mean they were killing uh the [ __ ] out of Christians if I had to guess. I they must have been run they must have built the goolog system. There's a blood lust that exists and an anger that is just so perceptible that that's why you say you will know them by their fruits. It's the way they speak about people. There's a a happiness in their eyes when they're talking about like murder. It's weird. I sometimes when I watch clips that will go viral of Ben Shapiro um or Mark Leavvin, there's something in their like demeanor and their eyes that is it's so dark. I mean, it's so dark where you really go, I think you are happy. It makes you happy when kids are being killed in Gaza. Like, there's there's something. It's very disturbing. They They're not having the same reaction as we are having. And you see it in their tweets. It's a It's They're hungry for more death and destruction. >> Oh, no. I've seen it. I've seen it in person. >> It's dark. >> I've seen it here in this room. >> It's dark. Um, that can only come from worshiping >> [ __ ] foaming at the mouth. >> Yeah, that can only come from the prince of darkness. >> Because when spirits are light and happy and um, you have a reaction to seeing a dead kid. Doesn't matter what the race of the kid is. Doesn't matter what the race of the kid is. You don't get up on the airways and go, "Oh, well, that's what happens. You're going to get some more of that." like what Ben Gir is saying, there's something very wrong with these people. And so you don't have to imagine who they are the children of. And that's why you don't have to get into the weeds on it either. It's like, you know, God gave you intuition, you know, he gave you intuition to know um when somebody is spiritually disturbed and that's putting it mildly. Something about post October 7th, you can see the flicker of demonology in their eyes now and the satisfaction they get from knowing that they're hurting other >> I mean, we just read that tweet. >> Honest. >> There's a thousand more just like it. >> Honest >> from other people in powerful positions over there. There's just there's [clears throat] been so many things that just I mean to me that prove how bad the influence is like sending that [ __ ] pedophile back to Israel. You know about you saw that right? >> He was in the cyber team or they're one of the top guys in their >> cyber security [ __ ] wing of the idea. I don't know, whatever. Came here luring what 12y olds or something in on the internet to to [ __ ] them. >> We didn't do anything to them. We just packaged them up and sent them back to Israel >> where he can do that freely, by the way, because they've been harboring and protecting pedophiles for a while. >> We're just cattle to them, right? >> Mhm. because it gets into that frankst uh faith that actually dominates the the frankst beginnings, the frankest origins of Israel. That's that's not Judaism. The star of David is not the star of David. It's Solomon's keys. Look up at Alistister Crowley's book. He's got the Star of David all over it. Um it's about summoning demons. It's bal worship. and they don't want you to peer to know the history of that. That's the reality. The star of David. but people are waking up to that. And I think that's why they have a certain It's almost like they're under pressure right now. Like their lust for destruction has never been louder. They're not even They're like shapeshifting. I think it's the best way to put it. I feel like we're watching people who used to play human shapeshift into demons in real life. >> What do you think about all this UFO, UAP, alien [ __ ] that's coming out all of a sudden? >> Distraction. >> Do you think it's a distraction? Yeah. >> Or do you think it's a narrative and they're going to try to pull a false flag alien invasion? I think the government has had technology and has hidden technology for a long time. And I think whenever they start threatening to do disclosures in a time where people are waking up about the ultimate disclosure, which is who rules over us, it's a distraction. >> You've [snorts] had a lot of time to give us this. And now there seems to be a real awakening happening. People talking about demons, people talking about the occult, people talking about ball worshippers and child sacrifice. that's a real threat. >> That's personally what I think all this UAP [ __ ] is. I think it's all demonic entities. >> There are demonic entities around us. I also think it's interesting how it is uh resurfaced right in the midst of the epsene [ __ ] >> Right in the midst of Pam Bondi saying the Dow's at 50,000. >> How many people do you have coming after you? How many death threats do you get? >> Uh all day, every day. >> Do you take them seriously? >> Yeah. Yeah. We have a person in jail for trying to kill me. Yeah, I take him seriously because I said >> tried to kill you. >> We're talking about Jewish history. Talking about uh that Rebi Schneerson tomb that Trump prayed over and they all go into Brooklyn and pray over that guy. You should look into that guy. >> What tomb? >> Yeah. You start talking about the Habad Lubich and they lose their minds. The history of the Habad Lubovich. If you open up looking into Sigman Freud, if everyone listening could just read the assault on truth and the second book after you read that um is Sigman Freud and the Jewish mystical tradition. You'll figure it out. >> You'll figure it out. Who? >> I got you another present. >> H >> What is it? >> Here. Let me grab it. I >> actually love presents. >> Me, too. >> Yeah. Honestly, the gummies were really I >> mean, since you have so many people coming after you, you know. >> So, uh, you familiar with Sig Sour? >> Yes, I am, actually. >> So, I got a buddy over there. His name's Jason. >> And, uh, Jason is the VP of marketing over there. He got really excited knowing that you're coming on. So, >> I told him I thought a lot of people were coming after you. So, he wanted me to present you with this. >> That is so nice, Jason. Yes, that is so sweet. >> I'll tell you, they're awesome, too. >> Like, like really good company and uh >> Yeah, they're the best. >> We were just talking about pedophiles earlier. >> We did this big episode on Roblox with this kid named Schle and uh he he unveiled what was going on on Roblox. We screen recorded the whole thing. I want you. >> And uh they were using so the developers were putting six sour. They have one game. >> They've recreated the Sandy Hook shooting. They've recreated pretty much all the mass shootings and you go and you go in there and they actually even have the victim's names that were killed in the schools over the characters heads. >> And you go in there as the shooter and kill these [ __ ] kids. >> And one of the weapons they have is a sig sour. So, we got it to Sig and Sig demanded Roblox take all their weapons out of the game. >> They're awesome. >> So disturbing. So disturbing that that was even a thing. I mean, they want your kids one way or the other. They want their minds. And it's we have to fight. We have to be the generation that fights back like and it we're only going to fight back by recognizing that it's real. It's a >> conspiracy. It's real. >> So anyways, here you go. This is the >> Wow. 365. >> Thank you, Jason over at Sig Sau >> with the new Romeo X optic. That's a Sig Sau >> can suppressor there, so won't be too loud. Takes 17 rounds plus one in the pipe. >> A few pedophiles. >> What's that? >> Take out a few pedophiles. Quietly. Quietly. >> That'll do it. >> Yeah, that's amazing. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Just absolutely amazing. >> You're welcome. Maybe we can break that in on the range before you head out. >> Yeah. There we go. >> Right. Oh, that's so kind. That is I mean, people are amazing. [laughter] >> So kind. >> No, I know. Well, I mean, people are just amazing. They've just been in so many ways. I mean, that's what that's what keeps you going. >> You have to be reminded that we're the majority. Don't forget what Charlie said, >> right? >> There's always more slaves. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> How'd you get into Go ahead. >> I just I know. I feel the energy of that though. I feel like it though they feel threatened. >> How'd you get into Catholicism? >> My husband, he converted to Catholicism. Um, he read, they say, read theology, we would say, majored in theology in college. Uh, and he went and which was a very big deal obviously in England, decided to convert to Catholicism in his last year of school. after studying theology. And once we had our kid, he was really being pulled back into the church and spending a lot of time there and really getting involved. And it was sort of just this another layer of my husband that I wanted to know. I just I didn't get it. I did not get it at all. And so, as I am, I decided I wanted to understand it. And it was sort of this perfect storm of where I was at politically reading about Sigman Freud and his deep hatred for the Catholic Church. I mean, deep hatred for the Catholic Church and basically creating modern psychology as a way to counter the Catholic Church to replace the priests with um therapists, you know, to disrupt that system. And I was going, "Wow, every time I read a book, it somehow is telling me that the Freemasons were very anti-atholic and I'm not looking for it." Uh, even that book I just mentioned to you tells you about how they were ever intentional about making sure that the New Atlantis would not be Catholic. So once I was awake to the Freemasonic hatred um and the pedophile protecting hatred toward the Catholic Church and how they plan to infiltrate and break her apart from the inside and break apart the Catholic empire that way. I I saw this sort of big piece of history really that I was compelled toward and there has to be for something to try to destroy it that bad, for Satan to hate it that bad, it's because it represents truth. >> And so I am very compelled toward learning the Orthodox tradition, uh the Catholic tradition. I am my mind is there. I mean, Russia was just I just recently went to Russia and I'm just floored at how much is there. I mean, I need to spend time in Russia to be able to hold artifacts that old. I I was uh I did an interview with a guy uh his name is Nikita. He's an incredible, very accomplished director. Anyway, he I asked him something. He had something in his office and I was like, "Oh, how old is this?" and he sort of laughed and he said [laughter] older than America. There is something about that, you know, I and I felt so like a spiritual thirst for more of Russia, like the secrets, like they've just been sort of waiting and they've kept the books and before they were translated and taken and I Yeah, I just I really want to spend more time in Moscow. >> You like it there? >> Loved it. What misconceptions do we have about Russia? >> All of them. All of them. And there's a you start to notice a pattern that is the Zionists really hate Russia. Although they'll tell you that that's where their family came from, right? [snorts] The pgrams that they my family left after the pgrams. That never happened. You [snorts] you know assassinated Assar thesar and Alexander I. And uh it was a Jewish plot. I mean, there's no question about that. And I mean, it's just the remarkable thing. It's like no matter what they do, they're the victims. It's kind of this thing. And they did end up a lot of them coming to America. And then obviously the satanic Romanov ritual and then a lot of them came into America. Uh but Russia, if you have an American mindset about it, you would think it's dilapitated, that there's no freedom, highly impoverished, that the people hate Vladimir Putin. I don't know. That would be my general sense of what everybody thinks. And also that they hate Americans, right? That I think everyone believes. >> Couldn't be more opposite. Could not be. I mean they absolutely love Americans. Absolutely love Americans. They don't even understand why Americans think what they think about Russia. They are so confused by the the Western perception, if you will, about Russia. Unbelievably safe. I think I also thought it was maybe in the back of my head thought it would be unsafe. It was unbelievably safe. Clean. It really makes you uh angry about the fact that our men are sacrificing their lives and their bodies in the Middle East and they come back to the way our country looks. Even our capital city, it should be the shiny example. At least make the city nice in DC. You've got drug addicts walking around, gay pride flags, people walking around half naked, um tweaking on the streets of DC. >> You you you not Moscow. It's an immaculate city and the the history as someone who loves history to have gone to the monasteries to see the old churches it stirs your soul. Beauty stirs your soul and there's a reason why whenever commies who I believe came to America and that's what we're dealing with right now and they're the ones that are in power. Communism and Zionism are our brother and sister. Uh but they seek to destroy history. They seek to make it so that people don't aspire to beauty because when you don't see beauty, it's reflected in your soul. I mean in Catholicism that that is a a belief that you need beauty, right? It's beauty, truth, truth, and goodness. These are the pillars. And when you don't see beauty, when you don't have truth, and when you don't have goodness, a society falls apart, um when you don't aim toward those transend transcendentals in life. when you walk around and you see these churches and the relics and the medieval intention like it just the beauty of walking into a church that has stood there for that long. It stirs something inside of you. I felt inspired. That's the only way I could describe it. Um I wanted to know more. I wanted to be smarter. I wanted to work harder. And in America, they want everyone to sort of live in nothingness, like really close to your neighbor, built in flimsy homes. Nothing is structured anymore. And there's a reason for that because they don't want you to think about history. They don't want you to think about permanence. They want you to think that you're here and then you're gone. That you have >> Don't think about ancestry. Don't think about ancestry. Don't think about living in your dad's home when you get older. that's what we're drifting toward. were drifting toward that emptiness of the Bolevik revolution when they made them close the churches and they made the state religion atheism. America has been under a Bolevik spell, I think, for a long time. >> Yeah, it does seem like there's an awakening happening. >> But well, how do you like being independent? >> I'm just the happiest person. I could never go back to working for someone other than my husband. >> you are crushing it. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. And, you know, I owe it to my team for believing in me. And even when I'm sure they don't believe in me, you know, I'm sure they've some they've got to have some questions. I The one thing we will never agree on in my in the control room is the moonlanding. I got these guys who need it to be true. His name is Skyler. Yeah. And uh but I'm one day I will bring him over to the dark side which is the I'm like the the moolangs didn't happen sky moolangs didn't happen sky but he's like no no no I think they did they did happen but we have a great time and I it is it it really is a blessing to be able to work from home and to be in control of your own life and to say what you actually think um without consequence the threat of you know the sort of domicles above your head and having someone am I going to be in trouble and get brought into the CEO's office because Ben didn't like that? Like that's it's I'm so glad it's all removed from my life and that I landed on my feet in large part in every part thanks to my husband and faith in God. Really trusting that I could follow truth and say something that was good and right and that he would have my back and he did. Well, I'm really happy for you. >> Thank you. >> And it's inspired a lot of people. So, congratulations. >> Thank you. And I do also just want to say I would not be here without the fans. They I mean they will never know the uh what that year was like for me to have people which they're trying to do to Megan, but it was magnified I think because I was kind of early to the cancellation party um just to try to take everything from your family. I mean, they don't they don't want you to just be fired. They want you destroyed. >> Like, it's it's it's so evil. And if it wasn't for my fans, the people who signed up, who sent the emails, keep going. We're with you. You know, please don't sell us out. That's the other thing. They're so used to that. They're so used to someone just taking the money. Um I wouldn't be here without them. the people who prayed around the world, who pray every single day around the world for my safety, who write um uh write us and tell us that they're keeping us in their prayers, which is the most important part. Um my family could not have gotten through it without them. And so I just feel like I also just need to say thank you, especially with the Charlie assassination because that was um definitely the toughest few months of my entire career was dealing with that. I mean, it still is tough, but I've now accepted that he's not coming back, and I've accepted that he was betrayed. So, it's easier now that I'm contending with reality. But those months that followed, um, I always say to my team, I make the joke, I'm like, if I can get through the last two years and I didn't end up like shaving my head and, you know, and going into a looney bin, like I'm telling you, like I think I'm the most emotionally stable person that I know because I don't know who else could have made it out of that without losing their mind. >> You know, it's it was it was it's been a tough tough go. But my husband was reminding me, we were we were out for a run the other day because sometimes you get the perspective. I was saying to him when we had um someone a member on our team suffered a seizure in Russia and Russia has been amazing in taking care of him who served his country for 12 years and couldn't get a freaking appointment at the VA and knew something was wrong and they told him it was in his head and here's some Xanax and it turns out it was in his head but it was a massive brain clot. Um, anyway, my husband and I was saying to him those moments where we thought he was going to die and you just I was sitting here just going, "Really, God? Like, you know, do we need to have a chat? Like, what? [laughter] Like what's up? Are we fighting? What's going on?" And you get those moments. And George just has the best perspective. and he just reminded me about the lessons of Job and the biblical lessons of Job and having everything taken away from you remembering God's perspective on that like you don't you know what what I contend with and not seeing why things are happening not being able to understand the bigger picture and it's so important to always have that perspective is we are just as I always say little blips in an equation that we don't understand. And at random times in the equation, God puts a plus in your life and then puts a minus5. You know, he's like, here's plus one, here's minus5, here's division, here's multiplication, and you're going, what on earth is going on? And we're not meant to see the sum of it. >> Um, but occasionally, I think we're allowed a glimpse into recognizing in in the retrospect that when he was doing all those minuses, it actually was a plus. you know, you get to look back and go, "Man, you really wanted me out of the Daily Wire like yesterday, and you did it in the most in the craziest way, but man, were you looking out, you know, and so it's um you know, thank God even for the hardships." >> Good for you. Good for you. All right, last question. If you had three guests to recommend for this show, who would they be? >> Phil Turney, USS Liberty. Okay. >> Changed my life. Um, there's just something about a person who's held on to something like that their whole life and felt that they could never move on because of their brothers being ruthlessly murdered that just you really see it how evil our government what they're capable of, you know? >> I would definitely say Phil Turney. Um, I can I give you one that I've never had on my show, but I feel like you'll beat me to it. >> I Every year I try to get Vladimir Putin. I feel like you'll beat me to it. I feel like you got to just like do something. You got to get like Kim Jong-un like out of nowhere, you know? >> Love to get him, >> right? I feel like that's where we're at. Like we now need to know. They've told so many lies about us like they're protecting Jeffrey Epste. I'm like, "Okay, let me go find all the people that you're saying. If if Jeffrey Epstein's good and and Putin is evil, I got to go figure out like what's going on." Really? That would be fascinating. Like when Trump when Tucker went over and did Putin, I was like seized by it. Um yeah, give me like give me a Bill Turney, Kim Jong- andor Putin. And I'd like to see your wife. >> She's been on here, >> has she? >> Twice. >> Okay. I was You got to do another family member of yours. I don't like putting my family on display. >> I know, but it's you learn the most about people when you when they speak to their family members. And that's why I love to watch them those podcasts. I'm like, "Oh, suddenly the >> How about Kanye?" >> He'd be great. >> You think he would do it? >> I do. Is great. >> I do for Kanye. I just want to go see one of his concerts. They look incredible. Like Kanye's expression is music. You got the when he does the show, that's his that's his medium, you know. >> You want to end this with a prayer? >> Absolutely. >> All right. You lead it. >> Oh, no. You have to lead the prayer. >> You lead it. It's your episode. >> Okay. I'll lead the prayer. I never lead the prayer in my house. My granddad was always like, "If there's a guy there, they always lead the prayer." >> Okay. So, this is uh I I'll just do just like how I kind of pray in like I feel like I have to incorporate you into it. So, like whatever. So, name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit. Uh, dear lord, we thank you for this conversation. We hope that people who are hearing this conversation are impacted. Um, there are a lot of people that are suffering in the world, and it's difficult for us to contend with why that is and why that suffering is allowed to happen. But we always at first come to you with gratitude. Um, and recognizing that there was a lot of goodness that is working at the same time that there are so many people who are waking up and understanding what is happening in this world on your time and on a timeline that makes sense. We pray for the children that are suffering all across the world. The people who are in war torn areas. We pray that you protect them and that you cover them. the people that are growing up without parents, uh without water, without food, and that you are with them. Um we pray for the information that you want us to have. We come to you in gratitude for the platform that you have given me, the platform that you have given Sean Ryan. Uh a platform that I don't think either of us would have ever thought or think that we deserve. and we continue to ask that you use these platforms to do your will because these are your platforms and these things can be taken away from us in any moment. Uh we thank you for the health of our family. We thank you for the energy to keep going. We thank you for the people that you have put in our lives, even the bad ones. We pray especially for our enemies and the people that seek to do harm on us because uh only you can move them and change those people in the world. Um, in your name we pray through Jes in Jesus Christ. Amen. Through Jesus Christ. Amen. >> Beautiful. >> Thank you, >> Candace. It was an honor. >> Thank you so much. It was an honor to be here. I'm so I feel like I was last. And I was like, man, maybe he just doesn't like me. I would love to do his show. Like I was like, I thought your show was so cool. I was like, really like to be on there. [laughter] >> Well, you made it. >> I made it. >> It was a fascinating interview. I've really enjoyed this. >> There will be a lot of tears on the internet. I can guarantee you. >> Awesome interview. >> All right. I wish you the best of luck. >> Thank you so much. [laughter] >> Cheers. No matter where you're watching the Shaun Ryan Show from, if you get anything out of this at all, anything, please like, comment, and subscribe. And most importantly, share this everywhere you possibly can. And if you're feeling extra generous, head to Apple Podcast and Spotify and leave us a